| 29 Oct 2024 |
 atemu12 | All of them run QC chips AFAIK | 01:05:30 |
 oak 🏳️🌈♥️ | * Fairphone 4 has Qualcomm chip so they are probably running QSEE | 01:05:22 |
| atemu12 | * All of them have QC chips AFAIK | 01:05:39 |
 samueldr | definitely not, initial ones were mediatek based | 01:05:51 |
| atemu12 | Oh indeed | 01:06:15 |
| samueldr | * definitely not, initial ones were mediatek based | 01:06:20 |
| atemu12 | The first one is MediaTek | 01:06:40 |
| samueldr | right, the last four were qualcomm | 01:06:47 |
| oak 🏳️🌈♥️ | I think Qualcomm announced recently they will lock the secure side of their SoCs so it's only going to be running TEE OS signed by Qualcomm keys in the future. Even for companies that make phones with those chips | 01:07:41 |
| oak 🏳️🌈♥️ | So phone makers won't be able to implement their own TEE OS on Qualcomm hardware | 01:08:16 |
| atemu12 | Is anyone actually doing that? | 01:08:29 |
| atemu12 | I'd assume everyone takes the vendor's software to get the device to work | 01:09:06 |
| oak 🏳️🌈♥️ | Well there are alternatives for what you can run as TEE OS using TrustZone | 01:09:08 |
| oak 🏳️🌈♥️ | Vendor's software is usually a pain | 01:09:50 |
| atemu12 | I believe that | 01:10:03 |
| oak 🏳️🌈♥️ | But yeah at least in the past Qualcomm was very bad at mainlining their stuff to kernel | 01:10:16 |
| oak 🏳️🌈♥️ | They basically just forked the kernel at some point and hacked it to work with their SoC | 01:10:53 |
| atemu12 | I think that's gotten better | 01:11:01 |
| atemu12 | LOS just pulls regular upstream 4.19 into the FP4 kernel repo | 01:11:41 |
| atemu12 | Straight from Greg | 01:12:00 |
| atemu12 | So it can't have be diverged that much anymore | 01:12:25 |
| atemu12 | I think Google's been applying some pressure in this regard the past couple of years | 01:12:50 |
| oak 🏳️🌈♥️ | Past few years I worked with the NVIDIA Jetson Orin (Tegra) stuff and that was also somewhat painful | 01:13:31 |
| oak 🏳️🌈♥️ | NVIDIA does really low quality software releases | 01:14:27 |
| atemu12 | Yeah Nvidia is something I don't wanna deal with in my personal systems either and that's just for the GPU driver | 01:14:33 |
 Tristan Ross | Every ARM machine is cursed in some way | 01:14:36 |
| atemu12 | The least cursed might be Apple surprisingly | 01:14:59 |
| samueldr | In reply to @rosscomputerguy:matrix.org
Every ARM machine is cursed in some way (the ISA doesn't matter... all machins are cursed in many ways) | 01:15:12 |
| Tristan Ross | In reply to @atemu12:matrix.org
The least cursed might be Apple surprisingly Because Asahi? | 01:15:17 |
| Tristan Ross | In reply to @samueldr:matrix.org
(the ISA doesn't matter... all machins are cursed in many ways) Ik, I'm more of meaning vendor wise lol | 01:15:31 |
