| 5 Aug 2025 |
 matthewcroughan | I'm primarily interested in mobile linux though, and lack a lot of understanding on the android side | 19:43:51 |
| matthewcroughan | I'm best at the boot flow itself, but not android software | 19:43:57 |
 pentane | In reply to @matthewcroughan:defenestrate.it
maybe you can teach me something oh, contrary to what it might seem like, I have no idea about AOSP either | 19:44:11 |
| pentane | maybe we can dig up some good resources together ;) | 19:44:21 |
| matthewcroughan | the boot flow itself could be considered "android" though since ABL and all the stuff that gets you to executing a kernel is sadly android contaminated and controlled | 19:44:28 |
| pentane | i mean, I don't really have any issues with that | 19:45:01 |
| pentane | as long as the bootloader boots my kernels and initramfses, I'm happy | 19:45:22 |
| matthewcroughan | Well even the cool devices that are coming out now like Fairphone 5 and Shiftphone 8 are running a locked "secure boot on" ABL from the OEMs | 19:45:36 |
| matthewcroughan | rather than just being normal devices that run an open bootloader, the OEMs fork edk2 and do annoying things | 19:46:00 |
| matthewcroughan | then lock it, and they have bugs.. those bugs then are worked around later.. yada yada | 19:46:17 |
