| 5 Aug 2025 |
 matthewcroughan | * Not enough people who actually work on this stuff, and have access to NDA'd stuff and internal knowledge out there working on open source | 19:48:13 |
| matthewcroughan | * Like Casey who is Linaro employed and whos attention could be diverted to something else at any moment | 19:48:30 |
| matthewcroughan | I have an assortment of mobile devices running nixos anyway, maybe we can nerd out at nixcon :D | 19:49:44 |
 pentane ⭔ | nice, looking forward to it :D | 19:49:56 |
| pentane ⭔ | and lmk if you have any issues with my fork | 19:50:19 |
| pentane ⭔ | would love to see it tested on some more devices other than my FP4 before Atemu and I merge it one of these days | 19:50:44 |
| matthewcroughan | Atemu: going to WHY? | 19:51:39 |
| matthewcroughan | Is my understanding correct that you need to be running on x86 in order to build android? | 19:57:53 |
| matthewcroughan | And that native arm64 toolchains don't exist? | 19:58:00 |
| pentane ⭔ | Afaik yes | 19:58:07 |
| matthewcroughan | It's so crazy that google depends on that lol | 19:58:17 |
| matthewcroughan | Such cruft | 19:58:23 |
| pentane ⭔ | have you ever tried to read git-repo source code? ,-, | 19:58:40 |
| pentane ⭔ | I have, and I ended up just testing the cases I was interested in instead of trying to understand it | 19:58:58 |
|  @samueldr:matrix.org left the room. | 19:59:06 |
| pentane ⭔ | in repo2nix, I resorted to just implementing a non-cursed subset of the git-repo features | 19:59:57 |
| matthewcroughan | You cannot be the only one | 20:00:07 |
| matthewcroughan | it's clearly dying | 20:00:09 |
| matthewcroughan | thank you so much for spending time on this dying thing | 20:00:13 |
| pentane ⭔ | Yeah, it was a pain | 20:00:28 |
| matthewcroughan | It's the same story with a lot of embedded stuff though | 20:01:54 |
| matthewcroughan | like Zephyr and West | 20:02:00 |
| matthewcroughan | And they're always so proud when they reinvent the wheel | 20:02:26 |
| matthewcroughan | https://docs.zephyrproject.org/latest/develop/west/index.html | 20:02:57 |
| matthewcroughan | "meta-tool" | 20:03:07 |
| matthewcroughan | As if calling something a meta tool, makes it any easier to understand | 20:03:23 |
| matthewcroughan | Oh my god.. At the bottom of the page:
Zephyr is an English name for the Latin Zephyrus, the ancient Greek god of the west wind.
| 20:04:53 |
| matthewcroughan | Why do they do this | 20:04:57 |
| matthewcroughan | They philosophise so much.. think so big.. and the end result is some buggy over-engineered nightmare | 20:05:10 |
| matthewcroughan | * They philosophize so much.. think so big.. and the end result is some buggy over-engineered nightmare | 20:05:16 |
