| 5 Aug 2025 |
 pentane ⭔ | In reply to @matthewcroughan:defenestrate.it
I view robotnix and the like as a transition period for mobile linux.. it is important to be honest Yeah, same basically | 19:41:19 |
| pentane ⭔ | or until Google finally makes Android closed-source completely | 19:41:35 |
 matthewcroughan - nix.zone | Did you see https://xiaomitime.com/eu-kills-android-bootloader-unlock-starting-august-1-59449/ btw | 19:41:57 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | Stuff is getting serious | 19:42:13 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | You going to WHY2025 btw?\ | 19:42:16 |
| pentane ⭔ | Oof | 19:42:17 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | * You going to WHY2025 btw? | 19:42:19 |
| pentane ⭔ | In reply to @matthewcroughan:defenestrate.it
You going to WHY2025 btw?\ nope, didn't get a ticket :( | 19:42:33 |
| pentane ⭔ | I'm at MRMCD and WAMP though, would love to chat with people about AOSP and stuff | 19:43:09 |
| pentane ⭔ | oh and NixCon ofc | 19:43:25 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | Ah, will see you there | 19:43:32 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | maybe you can teach me something | 19:43:36 |
| pentane ⭔ | nice :) | 19:43:41 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | I'm primarily interested in mobile linux though, and lack a lot of understanding on the android side | 19:43:51 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | I'm best at the boot flow itself, but not android software | 19:43:57 |
| pentane ⭔ | In reply to @matthewcroughan:defenestrate.it
maybe you can teach me something oh, contrary to what it might seem like, I have no idea about AOSP either | 19:44:11 |
| pentane ⭔ | maybe we can dig up some good resources together ;) | 19:44:21 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | the boot flow itself could be considered "android" though since ABL and all the stuff that gets you to executing a kernel is sadly android contaminated and controlled | 19:44:28 |
| pentane ⭔ | i mean, I don't really have any issues with that | 19:45:01 |
| pentane ⭔ | as long as the bootloader boots my kernels and initramfses, I'm happy | 19:45:22 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | Well even the cool devices that are coming out now like Fairphone 5 and Shiftphone 8 are running a locked "secure boot on" ABL from the OEMs | 19:45:36 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | rather than just being normal devices that run an open bootloader, the OEMs fork edk2 and do annoying things | 19:46:00 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | then lock it, and they have bugs.. those bugs then are worked around later.. yada yada | 19:46:17 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | There is sorta fwupd support on the Shiftphone 8 which is interesting | 19:46:48 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | I just worry that all the progress that gets made on these things gets dropped because it's effectively relying on 3 people to stay interested and hack on it | 19:47:09 |
| pentane ⭔ | hmmmm | 19:47:16 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | Like Caleb who is Linaro employed and whos attention could be diverted to something else at any moment | 19:47:37 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | Or the two individuals working for Fairphone and Shift, who the same aplpies to | 19:47:51 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | * Or the two individuals working for Fairphone and Shift, who the same applies to | 19:47:54 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | Not enough people who actually work on this stuff, and have access to NDA'd stuff and internal knowledge out there | 19:48:09 |
