| 2 May 2024 |
 raitobezarius | You can always move the message | 16:32:21 |
 edef | can we test-delete a message and see if it leaves a deletion marker in the log backups? | 16:32:22 |
 joepie91 🏳️🌈 | it does not look collapsed to me | 16:32:24 |
| raitobezarius | In a muted stream | 16:32:26 |
 infinisil | hexa: I collapsed a few, I think it's local | 16:32:32 |
| raitobezarius | Moving the message is better IMHO | 16:32:36 |
| raitobezarius | In reply to @edef1c:matrix.org
can we test-delete a message and see if it leaves a deletion marker in the log backups? I am on the road right now so I cannot touch data export | 16:32:53 |
 @hexa:lossy.network | 
Download image.png | 16:32:54 |
| @hexa:lossy.network | nope, it's gone gone | 16:33:00 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | it is gone | 16:33:01 |
| raitobezarius | In reply to @hexa:lossy.network
sent an image. Move it | 16:33:04 |
| infinisil | Alright, moving, not deleting | 16:33:05 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | does it show a marker for you as mods? | 16:33:08 |
| @hexa:lossy.network | clarified that deleting is bad | 16:33:13 |
| @hexa:lossy.network | no | 16:33:14 |
| @hexa:lossy.network | I'm in this zulip and I don't like it | 16:33:23 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | welp | 16:33:23 |
| @hexa:lossy.network | hm, now I said move and notify old/new topic | 16:35:10 |
| edef | can you… move into a private channel, which can then serve as moderation log also? | 16:35:14 |
| @hexa:lossy.network | yeah, I think that would be the play | 16:35:28 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | I wonder if it tracks the move origin | 16:35:43 |
| edef | practically we'll have to work with what we've got, i don't want to spend too much time on this | 16:35:45 |
| @hexa:lossy.network | ah, it appended a bot notification | 16:35:56 |
| @hexa:lossy.network | it didn't substitute at the position, which is sad | 16:36:02 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | that is suboptimal but probably sufficient for transparency | 16:36:16 |
| edef | ultimately "we did our best, and this is what could be accomplished given the tools we have" is all we can offer | 16:36:22 |
| raitobezarius | I think it's important to train yourself | 16:36:28 |
| infinisil | How about never deleting any messages, only moving them to a single stream and then ban them? | 16:36:29 |
| infinisil | I guess that's like a mod log then | 16:36:45 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | that is the option being explored AIUI | 16:36:45 |
