| 4 May 2024 |
|  SomeoneSerge (hash-versioned python modules when) changed their display name from SomeoneSerge (is taking time off and doesn't want to hear about it) to SomeoneSerge (Way down Hadestown). | 21:03:17 |
| 5 May 2024 |
 ronef | QQ - Where in the Zulip is the right place to make suggestions on meta norms? | 02:39:39 |
 colonelpanic | What exactly do you mean by meta norms? You could probably post a question like this in zulip tho. One of the nice things that it offers is the ability to move stuff. | 02:42:21 |
| ronef | will do it :) | 02:49:48 |
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 @kfears:matrix.org | I've posted a request to add me on Github. Unfortunately, still can't access the Zulip on my account. Any ideas why that could be? I think the request was already addresses | 11:52:23 |
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 K900 | It's not automated | 11:52:45 |
| @kfears:matrix.org | * I've posted a request to add me on Github. Unfortunately, still can't access the Zulip on my account. Any ideas why that could be? I think the request was already addressed | 11:53:00 |
| @kfears:matrix.org | Ah, the invitation came to email, my bad | 11:54:35 |
 @zimbatm:numtide.com | In reply to @danielle:fairydust.space
nobody, and i mean nobody, with long-term large oss moderation experience is gonna be willing to sign up for dealing with the nix situation To close the topic of mod neutrality, since I left it hanging.
I agree with danielle that it would remove too many important voices to disallow the mods from participating in the conversation. It's still important to put steps towards keeping the mod neutrality perception.
A more gradual approach would be to establishing the convention that a mod refrain from modding topics they are participating in. If no other mod is available, or all the mods are engaged in the conversation, then bias towards the mod that isn't taking the opposing view of the subject, and finally the mod that isn't in direct reply. Modding is hard so I am suggesting this more as a guideline instead of rule. Mods need the freedom to apply their own judgement as well.
It's also important that the mods are generally in the mindset of calming things down and come to resolution. If you can find neutral third-parties to complement the team that would be nice. But I bet you must already be quite busy with the crazy volume of messages that is happening right now.
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| 7 May 2024 |
 nyanbinary | What's the "due date" of the Zulip? | 10:35:27 |
| nyanbinary | May 14th right? | 10:35:29 |
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| @jamesmowery:matrix.org | May I get some clarification why people who have contributed nothing directly to NixOS (but could be argued that there is a very tiny indirect NixOS implication) have been accepted, but my application has not been processed? https://github.com/NixOS/foundation/issues/143#issuecomment-2097361458 The bar for clearing was "The exact kind of contribution does not matter, it doesn't even have to be code or official, as long as it is before 2024-05-01 and related to Nix." I feel I have met this criteria, but I've been told that "I'm afraid your linked contribution doesn't clear the bar, sorry!" As someone who has used and helped onboard people to NixOS for 10 years and helped drive contributions to this great project, it feels like a slap in the face. | 14:20:16 |
| @jamesmowery:matrix.org | (Apologies if this should be directed somewhere else. It's not clear, and I have received no response on GitHub despite requesting clarification and reasoning.) | 14:21:13 |
 @hexa:lossy.network | your contribution linked, as far as I know, was a comment asking for blockers on an open PR | 14:22:05 |
| @hexa:lossy.network | and them moderators were in agreement that wouldn't clear the bar | 14:22:25 |
| @hexa:lossy.network | * and the moderators were in agreement that wouldn't clear the bar | 14:22:42 |
| @jamesmowery:matrix.org | Understood on that part, which is why I came back. I didn't think it was being taken that seriously given the above quoted requirements. | 14:22:57 |
 raitobezarius | I count 35 edits on your GitHub comment | 14:23:02 |
| @jamesmowery:matrix.org | So that's why I came back with far more examples. | 14:23:06 |
| @jamesmowery:matrix.org | raitobezarius: I had to think of about 35 more examples in my head just to give enough context. | 14:23:24 |
| @jamesmowery:matrix.org | If my newly linked post doesn't meet the criteria. I'm okay with that. I'd just love a clear explanation as to how it doesn't clear the bar. And I would like to know why some indirect contributions that have barely anything to do with NixOS have been accepted. | 14:24:21 |
| @jamesmowery:matrix.org | And I just ask for 3 or so examples of contributions that are not code related nor documentation that would be accepted... which is allowed, per the original requirements. Because I'm very confident I can clear this bar. | 14:25:06 |
