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3 May 2024
@infinisil:matrix.orginfinisilGeneral Uncle Iroh 🍡00:59:57
@infinisil:matrix.orginfinisil

Did I just disqualify myself πŸ˜†

I don’t want people with strong opinions on technicalities like flakes vs. classic Nix

01:01:53
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezariusI feel like those ideas are interesting01:02:15
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezariusBut I think saying "X vs. Y" is already setting up the tone and being binary01:02:24
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezariusFlakes vs. Classic is an excellent example01:02:29
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezariusThis is a spectrum01:02:33
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezariusThere's absolutely ways to make Flakes good while keeping the Classic taste01:02:44
@infinisil:matrix.orginfinisilπŸ’―01:02:50
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezariusThe RFC about repairing layering violations, etc. is also taking that trajectory AFAIK01:03:02
@infinisil:matrix.orginfinisilIndeed, that one was just a bit too abstract imo though πŸ˜…01:04:04
@infinisil:matrix.orginfinisilIt's hard to decide whether it is implement01:04:17
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezariusI see it as one of those RFCs which are most "peace treaties" and "intents" things that anything else01:04:37
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezariusYeah, they are not perfect, confusing, abstract01:04:44
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezariusBut they are sending an important signal to the community01:04:50
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezariusNow, onto the execution, this is a different matter01:04:55
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezariusAnd to me, interestingly, this is governance material!01:05:09
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezariusBut we are doing almost governance!01:05:21
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezariusSo we should maybe leave it at there :)01:05:25
@infinisil:matrix.orginfinisilHaha yeah01:05:32
@infinisil:matrix.orginfinisilWhat's the complexity class of problems that are hard to compute but easy to verify?01:06:01
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezariusNP problems?01:06:24
@infinisil:matrix.orginfinisilNice thanks01:06:47
@infinisil:matrix.orginfinisilI view RFCs a bit like that :P01:06:52
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezariussolvable in non-polynomial time, verifiable in polynomial time01:06:54
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezarius
In reply to @infinisil:matrix.org
I view RFCs a bit like that :P
Hmm, I see your point
01:07:28
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezariusBut I think it's quite obvious to me that the layering violations RFC is not yet implemented01:07:35
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezariusBut I do understand also the other side of it: we will never know when it's truly fully implemented01:08:41
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezariusI think this is about being satisfied01:08:46
@infinisil:matrix.orginfinisilAre you sure you're not a non-polynomial human? :P01:08:54
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezariusWell, it's clear that I'm solving NP-Hard problems (and even EXPTIME problems) everyday with much less watts consumption than computers for that :P01:09:20

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