| 2 May 2024 |
 @zimbatm:numtide.com | what I have in mind are multiple instances that happened during the Anduril wars of NixOS 2024. But let me think about it. | 21:31:05 |
 danielle | it is a mostly different set of people | 21:31:27 |
 @hexa:lossy.network | except for me 👋 | 21:31:35 |
| @hexa:lossy.network | and I'm honestly too tired to fight this | 21:32:08 |
 shlevy | I think Jonas Chevalier is right to be concerned about perceived trust in this process, but IMO the way to achieve that is to be very deliberate and cautious about any moderation action and even appearance of impropriety | 21:32:44 |
| shlevy | Removing people from participation in the shaping of the entire future of the project because they’re enabling the process is unjust. | 21:33:16 |
| danielle | That's a big part of why I (mod hat off, wasn't a mod or going to be one earlier) wanted to define the rules of participation ahead of time - so it's clear what style of participation folks are agreeing to - and so it's somewhat easier to resolve things through deescalation rather than moderation. | 21:34:50 |
| danielle | I don't think anyone wants to actually ever use a ban hammer, when it can be avoided by clear communication up front. | 21:37:20 |
| shlevy | In reply to @danielle:fairydust.space
I don't think anyone wants to actually ever use a ban hammer, when it can be avoided by clear communication up front. Without commenting on whether they’re justified or not, the problem is precisely that a number of project contributors think that some people want to use the ban hammer way too often | 21:38:22 |
 joepie91 🏳️🌈 | this problem is understood but fundamentally not really solvable as a whole | 21:38:48 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | specific misunderstandings can be corrected, but a nonzero (however small) amount of people are deliberately creating this impression, and are not shying away from misinformation to do so | 21:39:14 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | that is just the reality that we have to deal with now, basically | 21:39:28 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | lots of people are getting caught up in this purely because they have not followed things closely | 21:39:43 |
 samrose | Some people will definitely just not hear the communication no matter how clear. | 21:39:57 |
