| 8 Mar 2024 |
 @joepie91:pixie.town | I am tired of this constant indignant theater | 23:07:29 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | also, more broadly: I constantly see the same handful of dudes (and it's always dudes) who involve themselves into every single governance discussion, going on and on and on about how there's so much uncertainty and so much fear of getting banned, repeatedly ignoring/rejecting every clarification that has been provided like "there will be no bans if people are open to feedback", and constantly centering themselves even though they have the least to lose of anyone involved, and are at the least risk of actually getting harmed, at the cost of the safety of those who these policies are actually meant to protect.
to put it bluntly: you all need to learn that not everything is about you, not everything is your business, and you need to either start contributing to the safe of marginalized folks, or take a fucking step back and let other people actually do their job
| 23:09:36 |
 @jonringer:matrix.org | Then why are you in my safe space? https://matrix.to/#/!VyoUhyWvlhSpFWWxHL:matrix.org/$Ux67oY4avoPgauaa5r_MRRj0Thsz6KohAu82v6Kq9Cc?via=nixos.org&via=matrix.org&via=fairydust.space | 23:09:55 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | you are taking up all the oxygen in the room, every single time, and this is not okay | 23:10:03 |
| @jonringer:matrix.org | What! It was deleted >:( | 23:10:38 |
 Qyriad | Well said, thank you. And to be clear, this is a Nix moderation issue to. That we must have this discussion means Nix moderation is not doing its job. | 23:10:48 |
| Qyriad | * Well said, thank you. And to be clear, this is a Nix moderation issue too. That we must have this discussion means Nix moderation is not doing its job. | 23:10:57 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | I am not open to debate regarding this, to be very clear. | 23:10:57 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | I am telling you this, not inviting a discussion. | 23:11:11 |
| @jonringer:matrix.org | A few months ago you told me:
jesus christ, fuck off
how many times does this need to be said
your fucking commentary is not wanted
this is none of your business to comment on, and it has been made exceedingly clear above, several times, by several people now, that further discussion on here is not wanted
is it clear enough now?
| 23:11:41 |
 7c6f434c | To be fair, there it was mostly justified | 23:12:48 |
| 7c6f434c | Because the root message of the thread was indeed an example of how not to do constructiove discussion, but nothing new was being said in the thread and there were indeed multiple requests to stop repeating things (even if also no substantial answer to those repeated things) | 23:13:58 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | * also, more broadly: I constantly see the same handful of dudes (and it's always dudes) who involve themselves into every single governance discussion, going on and on and on about how there's so much uncertainty and so much fear of getting banned, repeatedly ignoring/rejecting every clarification that has been provided like "there will be no bans if people are open to feedback", and constantly centering themselves even though they have the least to lose of anyone involved, and are at the least risk of actually getting harmed, at the cost of the safety of those who these policies are actually meant to protect.
to put it bluntly: you all need to learn that not everything is about you, not everything is your business, and you need to either start contributing to the safety of marginalized folks, or take a fucking step back and let other people actually do their job
| 23:14:53 |
| @jonringer:matrix.org | * A few months ago you told me:
jesus christ, fuck off
how many times does this need to be said
your fucking commentary is not wanted
this is none of your business to comment on, and it has been made exceedingly clear above, several times, by several people now, that further discussion on here is not wanted
is it clear enough now?
| 23:14:57 |
 @piegames:matrix.org | jonringer: Let's be blunt, the actions of your which led to that response almost got you an angry mail and a warning. (I was just too depressed to finalize it and eventually dropped it.)
While I definitely did not approve of Joepie's wording there, I did not act on it either due to the circumstance
| 23:15:22 |
| Qyriad | In reply to @jonringer:matrix.org
Then why are you in my safe space? https://matrix.to/#/!VyoUhyWvlhSpFWWxHL:matrix.org/$Ux67oY4avoPgauaa5r_MRRj0Thsz6KohAu82v6Kq9Cc?via=nixos.org&via=matrix.org&via=fairydust.space Because we are asking you not to be intolerant, and you are saying that makes you unsafe. If that makes you unsafe, then this should not be a space for you. | 23:15:46 |
| @jonringer:matrix.org | Yes, please tell me what I am able to do and not do. Please unilaterally decide what is considered acceptable behavior. Please dictate how members should interact. | 23:16:23 |
| @jonringer:matrix.org | Do you not see the authoritative overtones of "you must play by my rules"?. What kind of community is that. | 23:17:07 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | I think I was pretty clear about having no interest in a debate. you are one of the people who has wasted every assumption of good faith that I might have had over the past years | 23:17:37 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | there is no value in continuing to debate this | 23:17:54 |
 @hexa:lossy.network | please disengage. | 23:18:06 |
| @piegames:matrix.org | jonringer: This is not setting rules, this is setting a personal boundary. There is a difference. Just because Joepie is not up to debate on this does not mean it cannot be discussed here in general | 23:18:16 |
 tomberek | RECOMMENDATION: 15 minute break, let's all grab some water | 23:18:29 |
| @jonringer:matrix.org | How am I at fault here? There was a bezo's clip. Joepie went on a tirade calls us all oppressors. Then you came into discontinue any more conversation. | 23:18:48 |
| @jonringer:matrix.org | * How am I at fault here? There was a bezo's clip. Joepie went on a tirade calling us all oppressors. Then you came into discontinue any more conversation. | 23:18:57 |
| @piegames:matrix.org | Let's continue that discussion in private | 23:19:09 |
| @jonringer:matrix.org | No. I'm tired of "lets do this behind closed doors". We're supposed to be able to work together. Some ability to handle discontent should be seen as a strength. | 23:20:02 |
| Qyriad | Yes, something we can agree on jonringer | 23:23:24 |
| @jonringer:matrix.org | If you all decide to ban me, please at least frame in violations of https://github.com/NixOS/.github/blob/master/CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md#our-standards. Some transparency would be nice. | 23:23:47 |
| @piegames:matrix.org | In reply to @tomberek:matrix.org
RECOMMENDATION: 15 minute break, let's all grab some water ☝️ | 23:24:07 |
