| 8 Mar 2024 |
 @jonringer:matrix.org |
When we touch sensitive subjects, we're bound to have different reads, depending on our background and sensibilities.
Agreed, but being able to discuss such things without it devolving into "your not allowed here" is what separates intellectual pursuit from mob think/ cancel culture.
| 20:04:55 |
 infinisil | I'll add a mention, but I don't think that needs any special handling. If bans are permanent, they're on the page permanently | 20:05:10 |
 @piegames:matrix.org | Also your legal attempt at preventing copying is probably futile. | 20:05:25 |
| @piegames:matrix.org | In reply to @infinisil:matrix.org
I'll add a mention, but I don't think that needs any special handling. If bans are permanent, they're on the page permanently Ah, I'd honestly be against that. I'd prefer a timeout of maybe a couple of years. | 20:05:51 |
| infinisil | Agreed, but that sounds fairly orthogonal to this proposal | 20:06:57 |
| @piegames:matrix.org | Also maybe say that the moderation team should keep receipts about texts involving the decision, even though they are not published. We already do that and can provide more information to individual community members upon request if they privately reach out | 20:07:38 |
| infinisil | In reply to @piegames:matrix.org
Also your legal attempt at preventing copying is probably futile. Any website should have that in general. In this case it should just not be anything Creative Commons-like | 20:08:16 |
| infinisil | In reply to @piegames:matrix.org
Also your legal attempt at preventing copying is probably futile. * Any website should have a copyright notice in general. In this case it should just not be anything Creative Commons-like | 20:08:24 |
| @jonringer:matrix.org | Obviously srid invested a lot of effort and research into his opinions. Just because they conflict with your world view doesn't make him "unsuitable" to be in the Nix Community. If we started banning everyone because of personal beliefs, the Nix Community would be a pretty sad place to be. | 20:08:52 |
| infinisil | In reply to @piegames:matrix.org
Also maybe say that the moderation team should keep receipts about texts involving the decision, even though they are not published. We already do that and can provide more information to individual community members upon request if they privately reach out Also sounds orthogonal. The moderation team can do that in private, but I don't think it's important to have that | 20:09:19 |
| infinisil | I think it's totally okay for the moderation team to not keep any records once the ban is over, I don't think it's necessary to require that | 20:10:09 |
| @piegames:matrix.org | In reply to @infinisil:matrix.org
Any website should have a copyright notice in general. In this case it should just not be anything Creative Commons-like What for? No copyright = "all rights reserved" by default. | 20:10:10 |
| infinisil | In reply to @piegames:matrix.org
What for? No copyright = "all rights reserved" by default. I guess yeah. But still it doesn't hurt to be explicit about this. Especially in contrast to pretty much everything else on nixos.org | 20:10:49 |
 7c6f434c | Also I guess you want a restrictive robots.txt | 20:11:25 |
| infinisil | Ohh good point, adding that | 20:12:08 |
| @jonringer:matrix.org | Looks like srid just has that blog as a git repo, think I found the relevant change around the time of this ban: https://github.com/srid/srid/commit/bd66d7ef0d16fd1a8059ff8e2874b1162e9e3b98 | 20:12:34 |
| infinisil | What's a good reference for robots.txt to link to? | 20:12:48 |
| infinisil | * What's a good robots.txt reference to link to? | 20:13:00 |
| @piegames:matrix.org | This is not about "touching sensitive subjects". This is about people making hurtful or even hateful statements against other people.
If we started banning everyone because of personal beliefs
We are not and I don't know why you are implying that. However, action will be taken when people drag their personal agenda into the space, and especially if it has potential to cause harm to other community members.
| 20:13:20 |
| 7c6f434c | Can we ask for a subdomain and then we can use a bad reference and a blanket ban? | 20:13:38 |
| @jonringer:matrix.org | Because I don't know why he was banned! | 20:13:55 |
| @jonringer:matrix.org | So I'm just left here extrapolating the reasons why | 20:14:04 |
| @jonringer:matrix.org | There were three clauses, two of which dealt round his personal view, and the third around his actions in the community | 20:14:31 |
| infinisil | Not sure what you mean | 20:14:38 |
| @jonringer:matrix.org | seemed like he conceded on the community behavior but fought about the personal-related clauses | 20:15:14 |
 tomberek | FAQ (https://www.contributor-covenant.org/faq/):
Doesn’t adopting a code of conduct make a contributor subject to removal from a project for a simple mistake, holding an unpopular belief, or sharing an opinion on their Twitter account?
Contributor Covenant specifically states that behavior, actions, and communications outside the scope of the project cannot be considered violations of the code of conduct, unless the person in question is representing the project in an official capacity.
| 20:15:16 |
| 7c6f434c | If it is on its own domain, we don't need to care about not breaking too much | 20:15:19 |
| infinisil | Oh yeah the proposal says to use a separate subdomain | 20:15:48 |
| @jonringer:matrix.org | * There were three clauses, two of which dealt round his personal view (link to his personal blog, and a picture of steak on his twitter), and the third around his actions in the community | 20:16:04 |
| 7c6f434c |
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