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25 Feb 2024
raitobezarius	Regarding contention, I'd like any "deep dive" regarding this to be backed with an analysis of the Fastly logs and the effective popularity of store paths, this would make the discussion much morei nteresting IMHO	20:01:53
@jade_:matrix.org	In reply to @raitobezarius:matrix.org But some proprietary redistributable software can have some consequences on those resources, e.g. GPU ecosystem with 38 copies of BLAS, one per CPU manufacturer/family/weird new instruction arch, etc. re this, this is due to the habit of antisocial and silly packaging practices in proprietary software being more common, i guess?	20:08:31
raitobezarius	In reply to @jade_:matrix.org re this, this is due to the habit of antisocial and silly packaging practices in proprietary software being more common, i guess? That's true, but it has a clear consequence on us unfortunately	20:09:48
@jade_:matrix.org	yes, and we would like to limit such consequences of course	20:10:10
@jade_:matrix.org	it sucks that CUDA is 1gb ;p	20:10:33
raitobezarius	We are basically in a computational social choice theory land	20:10:33
raitobezarius	This is a fair resource allocation problem of a common good	20:10:42
raitobezarius	And what we are trying to attempt is something like Pareto-efficiency	20:10:49
raitobezarius	That's the "theory setting", now there's all the discussion and feelings and what we believe in to settle too	20:11:04
@jade_:matrix.org	tbh we maybe should have ofborg say how large packages are in prs, related to this	20:11:55
26 Feb 2024
@janik0:matrix.org	* Hi, so I want to self nominate as a board observer. I'm already quite involved with the NixOS foundation, attending all the governance workshops at lasts NixCon. I'm one of the Organizers for this years NixCon EU and organized the NixOS Foundations participation in this years Google Summer of Code and also being interested in other more adminstrative tasks like or the transparency on affiliations or the general sponsorship situation. The reason why I'm asking to become a board observr is that I dm'd raitobezarius a bunch of times in the last half a year or so to get more insight knowledge about some topics then the meeting notes offer and I'm very keen on making process and decisions surrounding the foundation more transparent. Also I currently do not have any financial ties to Nix/OS or the foundation and I'm aware that the foundation meeting is every two weeks Tuesday evening (at least in my local time) and would also have time to attend those. Couldn't find a documented process or similar for this, this Is why I'm asking here, it would be awesome if you could consider my nomination at the next board meeting.	00:42:18
@adis:blad.is	Replying in a thread because it's semi off topic but https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/272179 could fix that by delaying the python composition	03:14:51
linj	Could you provide a reference link? My search yields an opposite opinion. https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2018-04/msg00054.html	03:51:06
@delroth:delroth.net	General meta comment: I feel like these RFC-style discussions would be significantly more productive if we let stating concerns about a particular topic to those who actually have some amount of ownership about said topic. If you're not working on the cache / the build infra and you think the unfree change would have an impact on those things, ask (in private or on their team channel) the people involved to have a look and potentially comment, but it's very useless to get rabbit-holed in discussions like the one above - it's just noise and uncertainty.	07:08:13
@jade_:matrix.org	https://issues.guix.gnu.org/48924#14	07:14:10
@zimbatm:numtide.com	In reply to @janik0:matrix.org Hi, so I want to self nominate as a board observer. I'm already quite involved with the NixOS foundation, attending all the governance workshops at lasts NixCon. I'm one of the Organizers for this years NixCon EU and organized the NixOS Foundations participation in this years Google Summer of Code and also being interested in other more adminstrative tasks like or the transparency on affiliations or the general sponsorship situation. The reason why I'm asking to become a board observr is that I dm'd raitobezarius a bunch of times in the last half a year or so to get more insight knowledge about some topics then the meeting notes offer and I'm very keen on making process and decisions surrounding the foundation more transparent. Also I currently do not have any financial ties to Nix/OS or the foundation and I'm aware that the foundation meeting is every two weeks Tuesday evening (at least in my local time) and would also have time to attend those. Couldn't find a documented process or similar for this, this Is why I'm asking here, it would be awesome if you could consider my nomination at the next board meeting. Sounds good! I added your nomination to tomorrow's foundation agenda and will get back to you afterwards. Typically we setup a call for nominees so all the board members get to know you and understand where you are coming from, what are you interested in, how we could work together, ...	08:50:41
@aloisw:kde.org	Doesn't really sound like rejecting systemd itself to me, more like rejecting a systemd package from someone who explicitly stated that they will only use it for proprietary software.	08:55:55
raitobezarius	neat	13:21:25
@janik0:matrix.org	Redacted or Malformed Event	13:31:37
raitobezarius	I'd like to add for the next team representative meeting the request to sunset and archive the Hydra repository	20:17:03
raitobezarius	There's no real ownership on that repository and it is effectively mostly abandoned like some other nixos/ org repositories	20:17:18
raitobezarius	It does receive fixes as part of some people usage of it, but there's no coherent development team behind it anymore	20:17:33
raitobezarius	It generates confusion for some newcomers as to "what is the CI solution in the Nix ecosystem" and when they encounter Hydra, it's always a bit, meh	20:17:49
raitobezarius	This comes off as a recent remark from the infrastructure team in https://matrix.to/#/!RROtHmAaQIkiJzJZZE:nixos.org/$cvAZDLrJZVW6-u99gS-tkdyZJIMxL7jKTNfxqnh_AWk?via=nixos.org&via=matrix.org&via=nixos.dev which mentioned the possibility to take hydra.nixos.org to a fork or another branch for their needs	20:18:19
raitobezarius	Beyond hydra.nixos.org and other one-off private deployments, it is unclear to me whether it's worth to continue to have Hydra acting as some sort of official (effectively unmaintained) solution for CI in Nix ecosystem	20:18:49
@joepie91:pixie.town	TIL that it is unmaintained	20:19:38
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@joepie91:pixie.town	I do feel like there should probably be some sort of 'blessed' or at least canonical solution to "produce a binary cache for a given set of expressions" but I don't see a reason why that would need to be Hydra specifically	20:20:33
raitobezarius	The alternative is also to do a call to form a new team to maintain Hydra	20:23:26
raitobezarius	or at least clearly identified people who would like to take up the maintenance	20:23:42

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