| 3 Nov 2021 |
 GallantChef | It's only needed because of non-participants asking for one | 18:50:19 |
 jonringer | But when incidents do arise, do you want something to say, "You are out of line, and this is why" | 18:50:20 |
 ryblade | this sort of crap honestly feels like a hostile takeover, and it's always the usual suspects involved, too... not gonna say more than that for fear of stirring the hornet's nest. | 18:50:21 |
| jonringer | In reply to @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life
It's only needed because of non-participants asking for one some of the people in the discussion do participate. And there's more way to participate than just issues and PRs | 18:50:45 |
| jonringer | In reply to @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life
It's only needed because of non-participants asking for one * some of the people in the discussion do participate. And there's more ways to participate than just issues and PRs | 18:50:52 |
|  tomberek joined the room. | 18:50:56 |
| ryblade | this needs to be stopped before they start demanding to know our vax status too | 18:50:59 |
| jonringer | In reply to @ryblade:matrix.org
this needs to be stopped before they start demanding to know our vax status too I don't think that's the narrative. | 18:52:03 |
| ryblade | perhaps that was a bit far, but who knows at this point. i'm always afraid of the "never satisfied" complex of internet authoritarians. | 18:52:54 |
| GallantChef | The initial narrative matters precious little, because if you give them an inch, they'll take a mile. Or centimetre, and kilometre if we want to use internationally inclusive language | 18:53:16 |
| GallantChef | Once they have their moderator committee, eventually they'll install more people who think like them | 18:53:46 |
| GallantChef | And then it's all over but the crying | 18:53:49 |
| jonringer | In reply to @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life
The initial narrative matters precious little, because if you give them an inch, they'll take a mile. Or centimetre, and kilometre if we want to use internationally inclusive language I would like to keep extrapolation out of the discussion, I've already spent too much time on off-topic discussions in off-topic | 18:53:58 |
| GallantChef | That's fair | 18:54:09 |
| GallantChef | Let's evaluate this in a vacuum then | 18:54:19 |
| ryblade | very fair | 18:54:26 |
| jonringer | I would really like to get to a point that we can all agree that these are all values that we hold dear in CoC. And move on from there. | 18:54:29 |
| ryblade | apologies | 18:54:32 |
| GallantChef | That sounds good to me | 18:54:38 |
 infinisil | I'd appreciate if we aren't labeling people as "them". We won't find a resolution on any issue if it's "us" against "them". What we need is to better understand where everybody is coming from, what their arguments and experiences are, to find out where the differences lie and to find a good compromise | 18:54:46 |
| GallantChef | Explicitly, I think the fear that me and ryblade share is of authoritarians. | 18:55:25 |
| GallantChef | We could say that instead of "them" | 18:55:34 |
| jonringer | Agreed, first priority should be nixos. It's a technical community, it should be about technology first. Political or cultural support groups are better found elsewher | 18:55:41 |
| jonringer | * Agreed, first priority should be nixos. It's a technical community, it should be about technology first. Political or cultural support groups are better found elsewhere | 18:55:45 |
| ryblade | { them = [ authoritarians ] } | 18:56:12 |
| jonringer | If people feel like they can't participate with nixos, then obviously that's an issue which effects nixos, regardless of the nature in which they feel denied. | 18:56:22 |
| GallantChef | So regarding values. Instead of telling people how to behave or what to do, we can assure them that their freedom to do certain things is protected, and their freedom to do other things which may possibly harm others is not protected | 18:57:13 |
| GallantChef | Example, one is free to focus on and work on Nix no matter what | 18:57:27 |
| GallantChef | One is not free to incite conflict which is unrelated to Nix in Nix-adjacent spaces | 18:57:38 |
| GallantChef | Further to that, interactions should be focused on work and common interests and not things that are sure to cause enmity/antipathy | 18:59:37 |
