| 4 Nov 2021 |
 @zimbatm:numtide.com | In reply to @joepie91:pixie.town
you cannot have a functioning community (at scale) with both diversity and 'anti-diverse' ideology in coexistence, so one needs to go; and my choice for what needs to go is very definitively on the side of 'anti-diverse ideology' I think that's assuming that people are monolithic, and already giving up on the group deemed "bad". Of course I agree that if people are antagonistic and causing unnecessary outrage, then they should go. | 17:56:03 |
 @joepie91:pixie.town | Jonas Chevalier: as I've already stated before, I do not believe that anyone is 'unfixable' or 'fundamentally bad'. but to put it in explicit terms, as long as one adheres to and expresses an oppressive ideology, they are a threat to a (potential) subset of the community | 17:57:15 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | those people have the choice to not follow that oppressive ideology, and be welcomed back into the community | 17:57:38 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | oh, to be clear: with "expresses an oppressive ideology" I do not mean "talking about politics" | 17:59:32 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | it is generally far, far more subtle than that. | 17:59:43 |
| @zimbatm:numtide.com | again, this is a very specific view on diversity | 17:59:49 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | correct. | 17:59:56 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | I think pretty much all of the views I've expressed here have been very specific :) | 18:00:12 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | as I've mentioned, I think all the cards should be put on the table | 18:00:40 |
| @zimbatm:numtide.com | again, this is very reminiscent of the American culture war | 18:03:14 |
| @zimbatm:numtide.com | it's painting a picture where there are some types of marginalized groups, that need special protections, across very specific lines | 18:04:10 |
| @zimbatm:numtide.com | nobody is talking about mentally disabled people for example | 18:04:31 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | that's because there are. and I reject the framing of a 'culture war', which implies this is some sort of passing fad. in reality, it's just a long history of systemic social issues coming to a head and finally getting addressed | 18:05:00 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | In reply to @zimbatm:numtide.com
nobody is talking about mentally disabled people for example I did earlier in this discussion, actually | 18:05:21 |
 Jan Tojnar | In reply to @zimbatm:numtide.com
nobody is talking about mentally disabled people for example people are talking about that, stigmatization of mental illness is an issue | 18:05:42 |
| @zimbatm:numtide.com | what I mean is that there is a specific order that is being painted | 18:07:10 |
| @zimbatm:numtide.com | and sorry to those who have been though this 1000 times :p | 18:07:36 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | In reply to @zimbatm:numtide.com
what I mean is that there is a specific order that is being painted yes, there is. and contrary to what people often claim, that is not actually a bad thing - it's explicitly calling things out instead of leaving them implicit. | 18:08:11 |
| @zimbatm:numtide.com | ^ this whole notion is basically what people call "woke" | 18:08:18 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | there is a specific order in society. that is true whether or not you call it out. | 18:08:34 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | we live in a hierarchical society. | 18:08:48 |
