| 4 Nov 2021 |
 Jonas Chevalier | As soon as we are divided into camps, we stop seeing each-other as humans | 14:24:45 |
 joepie91 🏳️🌈 | the "well-chosen" is the important part here, and it's why RFC98 is important, and why this discussion is important, and why we can't just let things go however they go like we have in the past, as a community | 14:24:45 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | because "not choosing a group to exclude" is not an available option, there's only "explicitly making a choice vs. letting it be dictated by social dominance" | 14:25:25 |
| Jonas Chevalier | I really disagree with this line of thinking | 14:25:56 |
 tomberek | What group you want to exclude? | 14:26:07 |
| tomberek | Or that we should? | 14:26:43 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | tomberek: those who are unwilling to be empathic, baseline inclusive, and accepting of other people's experiences | 14:26:46 |
| Jonas Chevalier | paradox of intolerance shouldn't be used as a leg-up to create more intolerance | 14:26:59 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | (with "those who are unable to be empathic" being a special case that requires case-by-case consideration) | 14:27:14 |
| Jonas Chevalier | exclusion is an unfortunate thing and should be exceptional | 14:27:22 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | Jonas Chevalier: I completely agree with that | 14:27:35 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | however, I do also recognize that not all exclusion is implicit, and that it is very easy to end up with a lot of implicit exclusion - the path towards "least exclusion" is not "define no social norms" | 14:28:22 |
