| 4 Nov 2021 |
 tomberek | “as soon as it might make new people uncomfortable” is a very low bar. We can apply this very conversation as making many new people uncomfortable. With a bar that low, everything is potentially a problem and selectively picking out what is bad behavior becomes it’s own problem. | 14:20:25 |
 joepie91 🏳️🌈 | tomberek: that is not what I said. | 14:20:49 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | the context around it matters. | 14:20:55 |
 Jonas Chevalier | We're all projecting like crazy ^_^ | 14:21:05 |
| tomberek | Okay. Good. | 14:22:05 |
| Jonas Chevalier | For example one thing I noticed is that there is a lot of the current American culture war that is infecting the conversation. IMO both sides are pretty toxic. | 14:23:14 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | I mean, I can go on here about the paradox of tolerance, and how there's a difference between identity and chosen ideology, and societal circumstances affecting how much certain groups of people can healthily deal with mentally, and how excluding some people from a community is inevitable in 100% of cases and it's about having a frank conversation on who you exclude and why, and I could continue elaborating on that and the reasons behind it for many hours, if people want... but the very short summary is "all discomfort is not equal, and we should aim to make the community as welcoming as generally possible, and that is necessarily going to include some well-chosen forms of discomfort" | 14:23:41 |
| Jonas Chevalier | piegames: I agree that injecting terms as "woke" is not helpful to the conversation | 14:23:52 |
| Jonas Chevalier | As soon as we are divided into camps, we stop seeing each-other as humans | 14:24:45 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | the "well-chosen" is the important part here, and it's why RFC98 is important, and why this discussion is important, and why we can't just let things go however they go like we have in the past, as a community | 14:24:45 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | because "not choosing a group to exclude" is not an available option, there's only "explicitly making a choice vs. letting it be dictated by social dominance" | 14:25:25 |
