| 4 Nov 2021 |
 Jonas Chevalier | we're necessarily having miscommunications, and different views of the world, this is not going away | 14:08:27 |
 joepie91 🏳️🌈 | as I have stated above, that isn't the problem. the problem is that we, as a community, do not have a durable way/culture to deal with bad actors. | 14:08:48 |
| Jonas Chevalier | so they're really empty claims then | 14:08:49 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | Jonas Chevalier: I very strongly get the impression that you are making no effort to actually understand the problem, and are rather looking for something that lets you dismiss the claims and "move on" | 14:09:27 |
| Jonas Chevalier | not at all | 14:09:46 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | then why are you so quick to jump to "they are empty claims then" while barely giving me any opportunity to clarify anything, and while the discussion is about systemic problems that you seem unwilling to recognize because they don't fit your very specific and immediate frame of what constitutes a 'problem'? | 14:10:28 |
| Jonas Chevalier | ok we're back into rhetoric territory | 14:10:52 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | it's clear that you would prefer for there not to be conflict on this topic, and that is no different for me | 14:10:55 |
