| 3 Nov 2021 |
 GallantChef | One is not free to incite conflict which is unrelated to Nix in Nix-adjacent spaces | 18:57:38 |
| GallantChef | Further to that, interactions should be focused on work and common interests and not things that are sure to cause enmity/antipathy | 18:59:37 |
| GallantChef | The "everything is political" folks try to push that everywhere, and I'm 100% confident that it's a terrible idea to enable that | 18:59:56 |
 ryblade | In reply to @infinisil:matrix.org
I'd appreciate if we aren't labeling people as "them". We won't find a resolution on any issue if it's "us" against "them". What we need is to better understand where everybody is coming from, what their arguments and experiences are, to find out where the differences lie and to find a good compromise while i fundamentally agree (rule 10 and all), them is less characters to type. as a person with RSI, it's not very accommodating to have to type "authoritarian" in full every single time if context has already been previously established. | 19:00:35 |
| GallantChef | That's a shortcut to authoritarianism, which I feel the CoC should do its best to safeguard against | 19:00:37 |
| GallantChef | To be fair, we have firmly established an antecedent for that pronoun | 19:01:09 |
| GallantChef | If only we had pinned messages | 19:01:24 |
| GallantChef | * To be fair, we have firmly established an antecedent for that pronoun/demonstrative/whatever | 19:01:42 |
 infinisil | ryblade: I'd rather we don't use labels like these, they aren't very representative of the individuals that are grouped under it. Some people might agree with some views of label "foo", but don't with others. Some people might be 50% "foo" but not more. Some people might be "foo" but have had experiences that would convince anybody to be "foo" | 19:02:03 |
| ryblade | i've already had to take quite a lot of pain medication today, i'm going to get woozy if i have to do it your way... but alright. gulp | 19:02:39 |
| GallantChef | Are you confident about that infinisil? Based on what little I've seen of the behaviour of the people we perceive as authoritarian the "label" is actually an accurate descriptor | 19:03:12 |
| GallantChef | Having read the RFC makes that even more obvious | 19:03:21 |
| GallantChef | If we become unable to use accurate descriptors to refer to things or persons, then what is even the point of defining terms | 19:03:49 |
| infinisil | GallantChef: It's my experience with labels in general, but that's just my experience, totally fair if you can't confirm that (getting meta!) | 19:04:07 |
 jonringer | In reply to @jonringer:matrix.org
Moving forward, I would like to split RFC#98 into two RFCs, one defining the CoC for the NixOS ecosystem (with no mention of governing body). And another around the governing body, their powers, and the processes by which they exercise their powers (with no mention to CoC) Anyone feel like this line of thinking is out-of-line. I would like to proceed and put this behind us. I'm aware of two people that have left community because how much perceived drama and politicization is going on. I would like for no one else to be detoured to contribute because of a vocal minority of the community. | 19:04:21 |
| GallantChef | No, I 100% agree that DYMOism is a terrible thing | 19:04:23 |
| jonringer | In reply to @jonringer:matrix.org
Moving forward, I would like to split RFC#98 into two RFCs, one defining the CoC for the NixOS ecosystem (with no mention of governing body). And another around the governing body, their powers, and the processes by which they exercise their powers (with no mention to CoC) * Anyone feel like this line of thinking is out-of-line. I would like to proceed and put this behind us. I'm aware of two people that have left community because how much perceived drama and politicization is going on. I would like for no one else to be detoured to contribute because of a vocal minority of the community (myself included). | 19:04:32 |
