| 5 Nov 2021 |
 Domen KoΕΎar | yeah that one might have been too far :D | 21:21:29 |
 joepie91 π³οΈβπ | I do think it's necessary for this to have any chance of working | 21:21:46 |
| joepie91 π³οΈβπ | a recurring theme among complaints seems to be "I feel like I would have to walk on eggshells with this proposal" so making it abundantly clear that they don't need to do that here seems.... important :p | 21:22:25 |
 @piegames:matrix.org | Yes, thank you very much for doing this | 21:23:14 |
| joepie91 π³οΈβπ | of course it's still a matter of whether people trust me with this when they feel that my political views diverge too much from theirs, but I hope I've managed to make the barrier low enough for that | 21:25:07 |
| joepie91 π³οΈβπ | * of course it's still a matter of whether people trust me with this when they feel that my political views diverge too much from theirs, but I hope I've managed to make the barrier/risk low enough for that | 21:25:16 |
 7c6f434c | I interpreted the offer mostly as you being clearly far on political views and offering to work together to see how much of the conflict is more of a need for some safeguards/removal of excessively coded language/explicit writing down some implied things to avoid drift. | 21:33:57 |
| joepie91 π³οΈβπ | 7c6f434c: "clearly far"? that is a typo I think? | 21:35:58 |
| 7c6f434c | My failure at grammar, I guess. Obviously quite far from those having the most issues with the current version of the RFC text. | 21:37:41 |
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| @piegames:matrix.org | I am sorry to derail this chat for something, but I'd like to discuss that GitHub does show me this comment although I appear to have blocked its author. | 23:10:00 |
| @piegames:matrix.org | This is a problem. The person has done nothing that would clearly allow us to ban them from the community. Nevertheless, I do not wish to interact with them at all. | 23:13:52 |
| @piegames:matrix.org | * This is a problem. The person has done nothing that would clearly allow us to ban them from the community. Nevertheless, I do not wish to interact with them at all. (This is probably not the post I blocked them for, but it was probably of the same style. In case you are unsure about them, click a few times to find their Twitter. Anyways, that's besides the point) | 23:15:35 |
 danielle | Being deliberately inflammatory is, probably, something that would lead to a conversation and then a potential ban in most good moderation systems | 23:27:44 |
 hexa | Uh β¦ I'm ignoring the person as well. And the comments on the community and moderation team are their only contribution to the NixOS org this year. Very odd. | 23:28:45 |
| danielle | yeah I have them blocked everywhere for a reason. Mostly stemming from https://github.com/NixOS/rfcs/pull/98#issuecomment-892403988 | 23:30:01 |
| danielle | but yeah - I think from what i've seen of this discussion so far, I think those kinds of cases are something we'd handle if someone who was an active member of the community started doing | 23:30:53 |
| danielle | not necessarily by banning, but by focusing on what we do here, and keeping that kind of behaviour away | 23:31:16 |
| @piegames:matrix.org | In reply to @danielle:fairydust.space
Being deliberately inflammatory is, probably, something that would lead to a conversation and then a potential ban in most good moderation systems I agree. Although there are cases where I'd block persons that don't deserve being blocked. My example above may be il-chosen. | 23:31:17 |
| @piegames:matrix.org | In reply to @danielle:fairydust.space
Being deliberately inflammatory is, probably, something that would lead to a conversation and then a potential ban in most good moderation systems * I agree. Although there are cases where I'd block persons that don't deserve being blocked. My example above may be il-chosen. A better example might be cross-community issues, where somebody is blocked for their actions on an unrelated repository. | 23:33:53 |
| danielle | Cross community stuff is trickier for sure. This is part of why I'm sometimes glad a lot of what I touch for work falls under the CNCF, where bans are not-quite-but-mostly-global and fortunately quite rare, bc folks tend to be explicitly inclusive | 23:35:19 |
| danielle | A lot that aren't tend to leave before they need to be pushed, because folks don't really tolerate asshattery | 23:35:40 |
| 6 Nov 2021 |
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 @asymmetric:matrix.dapp.org.uk | i'm still not convinced about how the word "fascism" is used in the RFC, especially after Irenes comments about what the word means for them | 18:06:35 |
| @asymmetric:matrix.dapp.org.uk | admittedly i don't know why this bothers me so much. i think it's because it feels like a trojan horse, or something that can potentially be exploited by anyone with an agenda, since the definition is so vague | 18:07:23 |
 tomberek | It seems to have been acknowledged that the "socially charged" language in the RFC has caused a lot of the conflict. Then there was confusion if people were arguing about language or policy. | 18:12:55 |
| hexa | as a german I find it fascinating that the word "fascism" is supposed to have an unclear meaning. | 21:17:38 |
 Irenes | hexa, I would love to hear your thoughts on how to define it | 21:19:09 |
| Irenes | I honestly didn't realize it was subtle until I started trying to answer questions about it, I really thought it was quite obvious | 21:19:33 |
