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5 Nov 2021
@joepie91:pixie.townjoepie91 🏳️‍🌈 Jonas Chevalier: I believe so too 18:31:10
@zimbatm:numtide.com@zimbatm:numtide.comFor example replacing many of the instances of "ideology"18:31:37
@joepie91:pixie.townjoepie91 🏳️‍🌈or well, less 'changing the wording' and more 'adding wording', I think18:31:38
@zimbatm:numtide.com@zimbatm:numtide.com * For example replacing many of the instances of "ideology". (it gives me an impression that there is a hidden agenda)18:32:10
@joepie91:pixie.townjoepie91 🏳️‍🌈 as it needs to be broadly made clear, regardless of what the problematic behaviour is or what motivates it, that there should always be room for errors and adjustment 18:32:27
@zimbatm:numtide.com@zimbatm:numtide.comJust be more precise. If you say "values" then it's clear that it refers to the value statements.18:32:41
@zimbatm:numtide.com@zimbatm:numtide.comSome words like that have a lot of baggage and we're seeing the projections that people do.18:33:33
@zimbatm:numtide.com@zimbatm:numtide.comUnlike Irenes, I don't think that the negative comments should be dismissed. They should be taken very seriously and addressed.18:34:14
@zimbatm:numtide.com@zimbatm:numtide.comAs in: clarify18:34:23
@joepie91:pixie.townjoepie91 🏳️‍🌈 however strange this may sound, there is unfortunately also 'baggage' of sorts to deliberately avoiding these words 18:34:23
@joepie91:pixie.townjoepie91 🏳️‍🌈though the reason for that is a very complex and nuanced discussion that I'm not sure is useful to have here right now18:34:58
@joepie91:pixie.townjoepie91 🏳️‍🌈(I'm not disagreeing that there is baggage to using them, to be clear)18:35:32
@zimbatm:numtide.com@zimbatm:numtide.comIt would be better with specific examples18:36:26
@joepie91:pixie.townjoepie91 🏳️‍🌈I agree that specific examples can help communicate what is meant, yes18:36:51
@joepie91:pixie.townjoepie91 🏳️‍🌈but we should also be careful that it doesn't become (or look like) an exhaustive list18:37:03
@zimbatm:numtide.com@zimbatm:numtide.comAnother way to defuse some of the trust issues would be to add a failsafe mechanism, or just try the moderation team for X months18:37:21
@zimbatm:numtide.com@zimbatm:numtide.comOnce we have a concrete implementation, it will help people see that this can work18:37:49
@joepie91:pixie.townjoepie91 🏳️‍🌈with my 'experienced community manager' hat on I would suggest setting X fairly high18:37:59
@joepie91:pixie.townjoepie91 🏳️‍🌈it usually takes some time for people to adjust to this kind of community management model, and to learn to understand each other's communication patterns around conflict18:38:22
@joepie91:pixie.townjoepie91 🏳️‍🌈a month is unlikely to be enough; probably also won't need 6 months like in some communities I've cleaned up, but probably something along the lines of 3-4 months18:38:51
@zimbatm:numtide.com@zimbatm:numtide.com
In reply to @joepie91:pixie.town
I agree that specific examples can help communicate what is meant, yes
I mean that the replacement & omission of words, and their related effects depends on the context.
18:39:13
@zimbatm:numtide.com@zimbatm:numtide.com
In reply to @joepie91:pixie.town
I agree that specific examples can help communicate what is meant, yes
* I mean that the replacement & omission of words, and their related effects depends on the context (in the document).
18:39:20
@zimbatm:numtide.com@zimbatm:numtide.comyeah 6 months sounds reasonable18:39:35
@zimbatm:numtide.com@zimbatm:numtide.comor one release cycle :)18:39:46
@joepie91:pixie.townjoepie91 🏳️‍🌈I would expect 6 months to definitely be enough18:39:49
@joepie91:pixie.townjoepie91 🏳️‍🌈counting from the actual start of implementation, not acceptance of RFC, ofc :)18:40:00
@joepie91:pixie.townjoepie91 🏳️‍🌈as there'll likely be a delay in assembling a team18:40:14
@zimbatm:numtide.com@zimbatm:numtide.comthe biggest body of work is actually outside of the RFC18:41:15
@joepie91:pixie.townjoepie91 🏳️‍🌈also, if I recall correctly (been a while since reading the RFC), the nixos foundation ultimately has the power to disband the moderation team anyway, right? if things were to go severely wron18:41:23
@joepie91:pixie.townjoepie91 🏳️‍🌈 * also, if I recall correctly (been a while since reading the RFC), the nixos foundation ultimately has the power to disband the moderation team anyway, right? if things were to go severely wrong18:41:24

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