| 5 Nov 2021 |
 Irenes | and that's true regardless of what the ideas are | 02:37:47 |
 tomberek | I'll provide a thought here. Negativity and fear have similarities. "Fight or flight". I'd suggest that much of the behavior and reactions that we have seen follow that pattern. | 02:39:24 |
| Irenes | I am in full agreement | 02:39:46 |
| Irenes | please note that this happens no matter how much work I put in to showing good faith, because it's too easy to conceive of me as a partisan stereotype | 02:40:17 |
| tomberek | And that many of the rants and bans have been a "fight" response, and due to the invisibility of online communication, we will tend not to notice those who "flight". | 02:40:51 |
| Irenes | sure. | 02:40:59 |
| Irenes | and normally, it's the "flight" response which creates the strong bias towards negativity | 02:41:24 |
| Irenes | which, again, is why I found the amount of positivity on the RFC to be such a strong signal | 02:41:37 |
| tomberek | Would that tend to under-represent the rational opinions that are opposing the RFC? | 02:41:39 |
| Irenes | rational or not, that isn't the point | 02:41:49 |
| tomberek | okay, bad word.... but that it would lead to under-representation in general? | 02:42:12 |
| Irenes | I believe I already answered that, but to say it again, the bias towards not speaking out to say negative things is far outweighed by the advantage that negative things have, once said | 02:42:25 |
| tomberek | Ah... one sec.... parsing...... | 02:42:54 |
| Irenes | sorry about that, I wasn't trying to be obscure | 02:43:19 |
| tomberek | I'm not following the: advantage that negative things have, once said. Or how that outweighs the bias towards not speaking. | 02:44:02 |
| Irenes | right, so I didn't get to quite finish one of my thoughts, above, so I'll do so now | 02:44:21 |
| Irenes | negativity forms stronger memories for people | 02:44:30 |
| Irenes | therefore, when a person decides how they feel about a conversation, their feelings about the negativity will dominate | 02:44:47 |
| Irenes | this is unpleasant | 02:44:53 |
| Irenes | and leads to that "flight" response you mentioned | 02:44:59 |
| Irenes | disproportionately, the people who have positive feelings towards the subject are going to be the ones who flee | 02:45:30 |
| Irenes | and this would be a small effect if it were one round of communication | 02:45:43 |
| Irenes | but when it iterates for hundreds of rounds, the effect magnifies | 02:45:51 |
| Irenes | I've seen simulations of this, but that's beside the point | 02:46:08 |
| Irenes | I doubt I could find them again anyway | 02:46:27 |
| Irenes | and it's not like I dug into the numbers. what I'm saying is how I model my experience though. | 02:47:03 |
| tomberek | Okay, so I'll try to summarize. Let me know if I'm going in the wrong direction. | 02:48:10 |
| Irenes | go ahead | 02:48:16 |
| tomberek | Due to the inherent bias for social participation with negative emotions, support and positive feelings should be especially valued as it is rare and comes with inherent risks. <- is that close? | 02:50:34 |
| Irenes | well that's a conclusion I do believe but wasn't actually trying to convey, since I think it's tangential at best | 02:50:57 |
