| 4 Nov 2021 |
 Irenes | I have read through, like, maybe 80% of the scrollback since last night | 20:13:45 |
| Irenes | it got into some dense back and forth that is really hard to follow | 20:13:53 |
| Irenes | I strongly encourage people that if you have feedback that you want to be incorporated into the RFC, a chat room is not an appropriate venue to capture that, because it's all but impossible, even for somebody highly dedicated, to catch up on after the fact | 20:14:25 |
| Irenes | we have Discourse and we should use it | 20:14:31 |
 problems | i agree with irenes that we should be having this discussion on discourse or github, not here. it took me multiple hours to read through all the scrollback... | 23:32:32 |
| problems | that said, i want to reiterate what joepie91 said about rfc98 aiming to be explicitly non-hierarchical. it seems to be something that people are having trouble understanding, so we should look into adding wording in the rfc text regarding that | 23:37:54 |
| problems | the community team is intended to be part of and responsible to the community, specifically to avoid having a team that makes decisions unilaterally and is unaccountable to the community | 23:41:28 |
 tomberek | I'll be blunt. I don't think many people have a problem with the intent to create a team, or that they should be held accountable and have some sort of oversight; there is broad agreement about that narrow point. The problem is all the additional baggage that came with it. Then the disagreement about the baggage turned into questioning and debating every piece of it. | 23:57:50 |
| 5 Nov 2021 |
| Irenes | I mean, I get it, we're trying to do something a bit innovative, based on our experience with this stuff | 01:09:56 |
| Irenes | especially with the focus on leadership development as part of it | 01:10:10 |
| Irenes | I understand why that's surprising to people | 01:10:23 |
| Irenes | we've seen the ways these things can go badly elsewhere, and are trying to do better | 01:11:12 |
| tomberek | One second. Can you identify what you think I meant by "baggage"? | 01:11:17 |
