In reply to @joepie91:pixie.town
jonringer: also, did you understand what I meant with the point about sometimes needing 'policy shortcuts' for effective moderation? as that topic kinda got interrupted :p

I would like to submit exhibit N, here is how the SerenityOS handles moderation on their Discord:

## Hello, and welcome to the SerenityOS Discord.

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Thank you for reading, have a great day! :caret: 

In reply to @jonringer:matrix.org
In my moderation RFC was going to define a banning process where people could be banned for 48hrs to 72hrs before making a longer more official one

I'm not really a fan of timed bans, personally, for a few different reasons:

• they perceptually devalue bans from a "last resort" to an "obvious tool", because "it's temporary anyway"
• problematic behaviour does not magically become unproblematic after 48 hours; if the same person still has the same views and same (lack of) adherence to social norms, they will reoffend afterwards, and so the practical result of this is that you're just giving problematic people more 'free airtime'
• it also fails in the other direction; in the rare event that a ban is the event that makes someone go "... fuck. I really was in the wrong" (it does happen!), if the times are set in policy, one cannot be unbanned earlier without at the very least invoking the ire of the community who feel betrayed, and this in turn might make the banned person frustrated and turn their opportunity for reflection into an opportunity for their anger to build further

In reply to @joepie91:pixie.town

I'm not really a fan of timed bans, personally, for a few different reasons:

• they perceptually devalue bans from a "last resort" to an "obvious tool", because "it's temporary anyway"
• problematic behaviour does not magically become unproblematic after 48 hours; if the same person still has the same views and same (lack of) adherence to social norms, they will reoffend afterwards, and so the practical result of this is that you're just giving problematic people more 'free airtime'
• it also fails in the other direction; in the rare event that a ban is the event that makes someone go "... fuck. I really was in the wrong" (it does happen!), if the times are set in policy, one cannot be unbanned earlier without at the very least invoking the ire of the community who feel betrayed, and this in turn might make the banned person frustrated and turn their opportunity for reflection into an opportunity for their anger to build further

In reply to @zimbatm:numtide.com
it reflects really well how nice Andreas Kling is as a person (if you watched any of his videos)

In reply to @jonringer:matrix.org
I only gave a small blip of the idea I had. the timed banned was just to allow time for the other moderation member to agree in a more permanent solution. One of which, could be a permanent ban if they feel like that is the correct course of action. And there would be more transparency around permanent actions