| 25 Nov 2021 |
 Irenes | all right. well, you have said your piece. | 22:40:00 |
 @ryblade:matrix.org | not getting into it. | 22:40:02 |
| @ryblade:matrix.org | In reply to @irenes:matrix.org
all right. well, you have said your piece. yup. | 22:41:29 |
 problems | none of this is relevant to the rfc. can we please stay on topic? | 22:41:44 |
| problems | if it concerns you so much, there are plenty of other gender/sexual/neurodiversity/etc minorities here that disagree with what you're saying, myself included | 22:42:42 |
| problems | there's no need to pull out that card as a weapon | 22:43:03 |
| @ryblade:matrix.org | it was a defense against being called a nazi | 22:43:40 |
| problems | nobody called you a nazi | 22:43:57 |
| problems | you used the term "cultural marxism" and philipp helpfully provided context on that term for those of us not familiar | 22:44:32 |
| problems | i don't know how you expect us to discuss a term we don't understand | 22:45:26 |
| @ryblade:matrix.org | it was factually incorrect and biased from the first line, if you can see it as anything but an indictment of my views, please go ahead. i'll read it when i come back, i have to log out now | 22:46:13 |
| problems | you're gonna have to provide a better explanation of what you mean, if you want to contradict our sources | 22:46:41 |
| @ryblade:matrix.org | * it was factually incorrect and biased from the first line, if you can view linking that article in response to my concerns as anything but a strategic indictment of my entire character, please go ahead. i'll read it when i come back, i have to log out now | 22:46:49 |
| problems | don't expect us to discuss something without understanding what you mean by bringing it up | 22:47:13 |
| @ryblade:matrix.org | moving the goalpost. posting the link was an indictment of my character. prove me wrong. i'm out. | 22:49:17 |
| problems | bye. | 22:49:27 |
| 28 Nov 2021 |
 @piegames:matrix.org | Came across this yesterday and strongly recommend it to anyone: https://www.lesswrong.com/s/NHXY86jBahi968uW4/p/4xKeNKFXFB458f5N8
There have been quite a lot of arguments of this kind around RFC 98. The post also touches on people changing the definition of some emotionally loaded terms, which also happened a few times in this room. | 11:17:32 |
 @zimbatm:numtide.com | The 2014 version of the Cultural Marxism wikipedia article was in my twitter feed today. The difference in content and tone is quite striking: https://archive.ph/YzkIS | 19:27:53 |
| @zimbatm:numtide.com | (it's not really relevant to moderation though, I was just surprised by the difference) | 19:29:26 |
| 29 Nov 2021 |
| Irenes | I mean, it's sort of relevant, in that it's specifically the result of an eternal fight over who gets to decide what counts as "neutral" | 10:07:58 |
| Irenes | sorry, that's pretty cynical of me I know | 10:08:17 |
 @hexa:lossy.network | Redacted or Malformed Event | 11:17:00 |
| @zimbatm:numtide.com | For me, the NixOS community is a bit of a bubble that lives outside of this whole left vs right rhetoric. As long as you can view the other people as individuals, it should be possible to set our differences aside and enjoy hacking on Nix together. | 11:18:39 |
 joepie91 🏳️🌈 | while I don't think it is quite as much of an isolated bubble as you're describing it there, I do agree that I think we can ~all work it out together in the community and that we're not very far apart in a fundamental sense | 11:20:05 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | the NixOS community is in a comparatively good place | 11:20:24 |
| @zimbatm:numtide.com | Of course, I'm not naive, but that common goal is what we should be striving for. The Internet at large is too focused on our differences, wasting time on unsolvable arguments, instead of looking at things we enjoy doing together. | 11:32:06 |
| 30 Nov 2021 |
| Irenes | I do believe in that ideal | 03:42:19 |
| Irenes | when necessary, I will fight for that ideal, heh. which is a paradoxical thing to do, and something to be kept to the bare minimum that's necessary. | 03:43:04 |
| 1 Dec 2021 |
|  @ultranix:matrix.org joined the room. | 17:45:58 |
| 13 Dec 2021 |
|  @lourkeur:nixos.dev changed their display name from lourkeur (Nix OwO) to lourkeur (nix btw). | 17:12:57 |
