| 4 Nov 2021 |
 Jonas Chevalier | this is not the last RFC that we will be writing :) | 15:35:25 |
 joepie91 π³οΈβπ | jonringer: so my views on this are... complicated. on the one hand, in a vacuum I would agree that this should not be necessary to mention and we should be able to focus on intent and empathy/inclusion and constructive outcomes alone. in practice, however, there are certain specific problematic ideologies whose adherents have gotten very good at packaging their ideology in faux rationalism, and explicitly calling out those ideologies as unwanted will provide a shortcut that makes moderation significantly less exhausting | 15:36:36 |
| Jonas Chevalier | we're having similar issues when we're talking about large features to change to nixpkgs. once we start interpolating the future, it creates too much uncertainty and unnecessary dissent | 15:37:08 |
| joepie91 π³οΈβπ | for very similar reasons, I have instituted a blanket ban on alt-right ideology in PTIO - it's simply unworkable to defend against otherwise | 15:37:11 |
| joepie91 π³οΈβπ | at least, if I want to have any energy left for things such as work and cooking :p | 15:37:31 |
| Jonas Chevalier | joepie91 π³οΈβπ: we trust that you will tell us when that will happen | 15:37:56 |
| joepie91 π³οΈβπ | as that specific ideology exploits the well-known adage of "it takes an order of magnitude more effort to refute bullshit than to produce it" | 15:38:21 |
| Jonas Chevalier | we have to trust our community as well | 15:38:26 |
| joepie91 π³οΈβπ | In reply to @zimbatm:numtide.com
joepie91 π³οΈβπ: we trust that you will tell us when that will happen I'm not entirely certain what "that" refers to here? | 15:38:53 |
| Jonas Chevalier | if you see alt-right ideology cropping up | 15:39:16 |
| joepie91 π³οΈβπ | ah, right. I tend to call it out when I see it anyway :p | 15:39:38 |
 Domen KoΕΎar | In reply to @joepie91:pixie.town
for very similar reasons, I have instituted a blanket ban on alt-right ideology in PTIO - it's simply unworkable to defend against otherwise I wonder though, isn't that bigotry? | 15:40:00 |
| Jonas Chevalier | I don't think so | 15:40:35 |
| joepie91 π³οΈβπ | Jonas Chevalier: if you are interested in learning how to spot it and the abusive discussion patterns, I can strongly recommend the "Alt-Right Playbook" - I don't generally recommend videos, but these are very information-dense and incredibly informative and well-explained | 15:40:57 |
| joepie91 π³οΈβπ | (the tactics are not unique to the alt-right, but they are most actively exploited by them currently) | 15:41:15 |
