| 24 Nov 2021 |
 problems | mjolnir is the new chanserv :p | 22:01:42 |
 joepie91 🏳️🌈 | you could do that, but keep in mind that PL changes are fairly heavy on homeservers when they are frequent | 22:02:13 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | it also doesn't quite fix the issue of "who are the mods to talk to" | 22:02:24 |
| problems | we stated in the rfc that community team members should be listed on a page on the nixos website | 22:02:56 |
| problems | but yes, they should be discoverable through the chat platform itself | 22:03:09 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | right, that | 22:03:17 |
| problems | i believe mjolnir has functionality where you can dm the bot to ping the users in charge of it | 22:04:14 |
| problems | or ping the bot | 22:04:21 |
|  @withoutwithin:matrix.org joined the room. | 22:14:55 |
| 25 Nov 2021 |
 @jkarlson:kapsi.fi | in general if someone want's to spam matrix right now there is almost nothing that can be done except for invite only | 06:39:53 |
| @jkarlson:kapsi.fi | like you can beat someone manually creating accounts, but you can't beat botnet | 06:43:05 |
 Irenes | Heh, "meditation/mediation". I mean, like, I do meditation on a regular basis as part of my spiritual practice, it's a powerful tool but I think it's heavyweight for this. It's a lifestyle choice with far-reaching implications, and not a thing I'd push at other people. | 21:43:19 |
| Irenes | expecting people to learn something does make sense | 21:44:08 |
| Irenes | I do think that some level of actual training is reasonable to think about; I've been involved in putting trainings together before (on different topics) and it's something that could reasonably be part of things down the line | 21:45:07 |
| Irenes | though it's a lot of work | 21:45:10 |
| Irenes | ryblade, we definitely don't intend to allow the community team to become a tool for spreading American hegemony or anything like that, and we will clarify the kind of cultural stuff that's meant in the rewrite | 21:46:53 |
| Irenes | you also mentioned creating a hierarchical structure as not being something to jump to quickly; the RFC talks about non-hierarchy, and the rewrite will be more explicit about that | 21:47:24 |
| Irenes | I am really glad to see Jonas and joepie's responses to all this, I don't have a lot to add on top of what they said | 21:47:56 |
| Irenes | in regards to the question about what to do about ryblade's dissent, I wouldn't personally suggest stopping it. having a position that would be abusive if enacted is a different thing from engaging in abusive ways. this channel is specifically for discussing this kind of disagreement. | 21:50:27 |
| Irenes | the line for action should be somewhere in the general vicinity of behavior that agrees with the normal functioning of the community for others. | 21:51:00 |
 ryblade | it's more marxism i'm concerned about spreading than anything. | 21:51:05 |
| Irenes | this discussion doesn't meet that bar. | 21:51:08 |
| ryblade | oh i guess someone i can't see has already brought up the question of what to do with me, that doesn't really surprise me. so i've become that dangerous, without even using a single slur. | 21:52:00 |
| Irenes | how this should be codified is a hard question, because of "rules vs principles", but anyway those are my thoughts | 21:52:03 |
| Irenes | that was tomberek | 21:52:53 |
| Irenes | several hours ago | 21:52:55 |
| Irenes | I'm just responding to scrollback | 21:52:58 |
| Irenes | I'm now caught up | 21:53:00 |
| ryblade | * oh i guess someone i can't see has already brought up the question of what actions must be taken to deal with me, that doesn't really surprise me. so i've become that dangerous, without even using a single slur. | 21:53:10 |
| Irenes | economic views would be entirely out of the scope of the community team and whatever economic systems community team members might believe in, they would be expected to put those views aside in their moderation actions | 21:53:30 |
