| 24 Nov 2021 |
 @piegames:matrix.org | But yeah, we meant the same thing | 18:12:44 |
 danielle | 
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| danielle | In reply to @joepie91:pixie.town
tomberek: I would be very much in favour of banning ryblade (you/your) over the behaviour that they have demonstrated not just over the past few days, but also the behaviour when this room first started, as it has been abusive like this since the start even before it started. | 20:00:14 |
| danielle | (That was in off topic around when this channel was created) | 20:01:34 |
 @hexa:lossy.network | indeed, the start of this channel was an annoying echo chamber | 20:24:33 |
 problems | oh, i forgot to mention | 21:00:56 |
| problems | i read through the libera thing that was linked | 21:01:13 |
| problems | it seems like an excellent resource | 21:01:20 |
| problems | we should strive to create things like that | 21:01:28 |
| @hexa:lossy.network | (https://libera.chat/guides/catalyst) | 21:48:47 |
| problems | i feel like the "only be opped up when necessary" thing has been lost on more modern chat platforms... | 21:52:32 |
 joepie91 🏳️🌈 | yeah, though that policy also isn't without its drawbacks | 21:53:15 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | mainly that a) unless it is the dominant culture on a platform, a room/channel will look unmoderated, and b) it can be non-obvious how to locate a moderator in case of trouble | 21:53:51 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | not necessarily unsolvable problems, but definitely more work to get right than just not opping up | 21:54:12 |
| problems | on matrix, we'll be using mjolnir to moderate | 21:54:37 |
| problems | so i don't believe we need elevated permissions ourselves | 21:54:46 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | that can get very awkward when dealing with eg. alts and spambots | 21:55:09 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | because mjolnir doesn't integrate at all into the client UI | 21:55:16 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | so it ends up running afoul of the "it must cost less for you to ban someone than for them to create a new alt" rule | 21:55:49 |
| problems | right, though mjolnir is the only way to ban someone from all nix channels | 21:56:35 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | the alts generally only show up in one room IME | 21:56:52 |
| problems | fair | 21:57:08 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | don't think I've ever had someone persist in more than one room | 21:57:22 |
| * joepie91 🏳️🌈 ponders bot-provided UI elements | 21:57:53 |
| problems | the argument against community team members having elevated perms on matrix is that it's impossible to deop someone with the same power level as yourself | 21:58:05 |
| problems | though they could have a lower PL still able to perform moderation actions | 21:58:32 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | yeah, that's the sort of construction I'd be thinking of | 21:58:46 |
| problems | it does require someone to have the highest power level and depend on them | 21:59:09 |
| problems | which is why we opted to not use that for the core function of the community team | 21:59:29 |
| problems | we wanted them to be able to manage their own members | 21:59:39 |
