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24 Nov 2021
@ryblade:matrix.org@ryblade:matrix.orglike i said, i'm less offended than i am envious. it must be very nice to have lived such a privileged and loving life that words on the internet are capable of cutting to the bone. it's something i contemplate the nature of quite often... still not sure if it's what i'd choose if i could do it all over again, though.13:40:23
@joepie91:pixie.townjoepie91 🏳️‍🌈 and certainly seem specifically intended to draw people out in conflict 13:40:35
@joepie91:pixie.townjoepie91 🏳️‍🌈 ryblade (you/your): stop. 13:41:26
@ryblade:matrix.org@ryblade:matrix.org
In reply to @zimbatm:numtide.com
I'm pretty sure ryblade (you/your) didn't condone personal attacks, right?
i'm enough of a free speech extremist that i don't really care one way or another about personal attacks. not to sound like a broken record, but... block, block, block!
13:43:22
@ryblade:matrix.org@ryblade:matrix.orgi'll care when i'm beset upon by an individual with an army of sock puppet accounts.13:43:41
@joepie91:pixie.townjoepie91 🏳️‍🌈 ryblade (you/your): serious question: why are you here? what are you hoping to achieve with your comments here? 13:43:51
@zimbatm:numtide.com@zimbatm:numtide.comok great13:43:52
@ryblade:matrix.org@ryblade:matrix.orgthen i'll call a moderator. but to deal with an annoyance, not something "offensive".13:43:57
@ryblade:matrix.org@ryblade:matrix.orgi have full control over what words i see on my screen. offend me once, shame on you. offend me twice, shame on me.13:44:56
@ryblade:matrix.org@ryblade:matrix.orgoffend me thrice... how did you even get here? :)13:45:25
@zimbatm:numtide.com@zimbatm:numtide.comare you done? we understood your point 4 pages ago :p13:46:03
@ryblade:matrix.org@ryblade:matrix.orgfor dozens of pages, there have been people here going on about how blocking is somehow a bad idea, despite it already being available, and for dozens more that opinion will continue to get posted. i'm merely providing a verbose counterpoint, with examples. i suppose i'm done, but as for whether "we" understand me... i guarantee you that is not so certain.13:48:54
@joepie91:pixie.townjoepie91 🏳️‍🌈 ryblade (you/your): your point is understood. it is just not agreed with. which is why I am again asking: why are you here, what are you hoping to achieve with these comments? 13:51:39
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@ryblade:matrix.org@ryblade:matrix.orgnot sure what client you're on but this might help in the mean time you're annoyed 13:51:48
@joepie91:pixie.townjoepie91 🏳️‍🌈 as you seem to be opposed to the entire principle of trying to keep the community a pleasant place at all 13:52:02
@ryblade:matrix.org@ryblade:matrix.organyway, morning hygiene time13:52:02
@joepie91:pixie.townjoepie91 🏳️‍🌈which is the whole premise of this RFC13:52:26
@ryblade:matrix.org@ryblade:matrix.org * for dozens of pages, there have been people here going on about how blocking is somehow a bad idea, despite it already being available, and for dozens more that opinion will continue to get posted. i'm merely providing a verbose counterpoint, with examples. i suppose i'm done, but as for whether "we" understand me... i guarantee you that is not so certain. if this comes up again, and i'm here, so will my opinions on the matter. i'm just as entitled as everybody, i'm not causing a disturbance.13:57:43
@ryblade:matrix.org@ryblade:matrix.org * for dozens of pages, there have been people here going on about how blocking is somehow a bad idea, despite it already being available, and for dozens more that opinion will continue to get posted. i'm merely providing a verbose counterpoint, with examples. i suppose i'm done, but as for whether "we" understand me... i guarantee you that is not so certain. if this comes up again, and i'm here, so will my opinions on the matter. i'm just as entitled as everybody, i'm not causing any disturbances outside of what thin-skinned interpretations may exist in the minds of the hypervigilant.13:58:28
@ryblade:matrix.org@ryblade:matrix.org * for dozens of pages, there have been people here going on about how blocking is somehow a bad idea, despite it already being available, and for dozens more that opinion will continue to get posted. i'm merely providing a verbose counterpoint, with examples. i suppose i'm done, but as for whether "we" understand me... i guarantee you that is not so certain. if this comes up again, and i'm here, so will my opinions on the matter. i'm just as entitled to repeat myself ad nauseum as everybody else on here (and other CoC discussions) has already done, i'm not causing any disturbances outside of what thin-skinned interpretations may exist in the minds of the hypervigilant.14:00:33
@joepie91:pixie.townjoepie91 🏳️‍🌈 ryblade (you/your): I'd seriously appreciate an answer here, btw. I am asking because I do not want to assume your intent, but that is the only thing I can do without an answer from you 14:40:16
@asymmetric:matrix.dapp.org.uk@asymmetric:matrix.dapp.org.ukThis seems like trolling 10115:09:06
@tomberek:matrix.orgtomberekThe disagreement does not seem to be about the general principle of wanting to have a pleasant place, but instead over how to define it, how to achieve it, and how much control should be exerted to enforce it.15:10:59
@joepie91:pixie.townjoepie91 🏳️‍🌈 tomberek: I agree that that is what the disagreement of most people in here is about. I am not so sure about ryblade (you/your), however, considering their earlier comments. 15:11:35
@tomberek:matrix.orgtomberek Jonas attempted a bit of mediation and some levity. You've repeatedly stated that you think ryblade is taking an abusive stance. "Abuse" is mentioned in the RFC as something to be stopped. Does that warrant moderation action in this case? It seems to by the principle of "advocacy" from the values section. And very quickly we find ourselves again in not-ideal situation.15:51:33
@joepie91:pixie.townjoepie91 🏳️‍🌈 tomberek: I would be very much in favour for banning ryblade (you/your) over the behaviour that they have demonstrated not just over the past few days, but also the behaviour when this room first started, as it has been abusive like this since the start 15:53:45
@joepie91:pixie.townjoepie91 🏳️‍🌈 * tomberek: I would be very much in favour of banning ryblade (you/your) over the behaviour that they have demonstrated not just over the past few days, but also the behaviour when this room first started, as it has been abusive like this since the start 15:53:51
@joepie91:pixie.townjoepie91 🏳️‍🌈they have clearly indicated that they do not intend to respect the needs and concerns of others15:54:01
@joepie91:pixie.townjoepie91 🏳️‍🌈and do not seem to even share the fundamental goal of RFC 98, regardless of its implementation details15:54:21

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