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24 Nov 2021
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesand the parts I don't agree with are still true sometimes, just I've seen them be oppressive too10:26:16
@joepie91:pixie.townjoepie91 🏳️‍🌈 I haven't read the Libera version yet, but the Freenode version did suffer from some cultural holdovers, so it should probably be read with that context in mind - this was written like two decades ago 10:26:33
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenessure10:26:53
@joepie91:pixie.townjoepie91 🏳️‍🌈doesn't make it not useful, just affects the lens to read it through :)10:27:00
@zimbatm:numtide.com@zimbatm:numtide.comhow I see it, a lot of what we do is based on daily practices and cultural norms10:27:31
@zimbatm:numtide.com@zimbatm:numtide.comadding all of that to the RFC would make it super long10:27:45
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenessure10:28:04
@zimbatm:numtide.com@zimbatm:numtide.comor in most law systems there is the law, and then the interpretation of the court, which is also used10:28:17
@irenes:matrix.orgIreneswhich is why we focused on specifying the very high level philosophy stuff, and creating a process that will allow those norms to persist10:28:27
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesbut who knows, it may be that the right way really is to spell out all those cultural norms10:28:35
@joepie91:pixie.townjoepie91 🏳️‍🌈 Jonas Chevalier: as a shorthand answer, the single most reliably effective tool for de-escalation that I have seen is having some people on hand (with or without a formal moderation role) who are able and willing to mediate from an outsider perspective in a conflict, a conflict that they are not personally close to 10:28:37
@joepie91:pixie.townjoepie91 🏳️‍🌈however, most of my data is from conflicts in a somewhat technical context10:29:02
@joepie91:pixie.townjoepie91 🏳️‍🌈where "not being personally close to something" is reliably an option10:29:14
@joepie91:pixie.townjoepie91 🏳️‍🌈it gets messier on non-technical topics10:29:19
@zimbatm:numtide.com@zimbatm:numtide.com yeah I don't know either Irenes. It seems like right now we're in a situation with very few laws, but relatively good/healthy common practices 10:29:59
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesyeah10:30:12
@joepie91:pixie.townjoepie91 🏳️‍🌈like for example, that would reliably work for a conflict about flakes, but I wouldn't be so sure for a conflict about whether something is a bigoted comment10:30:14
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesI just want to make sure that situation persists10:30:17
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenes and also that it actually includes our minorities, because I will tell you that if something doesn't get passed, a lot of people are going to give up on Nix 10:30:50
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesdoesn't necessarily have to be 98, just has to be something that works10:31:00
@irenes:matrix.orgIreneswe've all seen this play out in other places, places less worth trying to save10:31:24
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesI personally have an almost infinite amount of patience10:31:35
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesbut I'm an anomaly10:31:40
@zimbatm:numtide.com@zimbatm:numtide.comyeah, I strongly believe that everybody should be able to participate in the project, without having to fear personal attacks10:31:40
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesyeah10:31:44
@zimbatm:numtide.com@zimbatm:numtide.comit's weird to me we even have to specify this, and make it a thing10:32:33
@zimbatm:numtide.com@zimbatm:numtide.comanother thing that also works quite well is leadership by example. It's one of those "what would jesus do" kind of situation :p10:34:16
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesit's no longer weird to me but it's incredibly tiring10:34:29
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenessur10:34:34
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenese10:34:35

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