| 24 Nov 2021 |
 Irenes | like the process of ratifying the RFC is in part about saying as a community that we all actually want a process like this, that mediating disputes is a thing that should happen | 10:21:45 |
 problems | i think joepie91 has thoughts about this topic | 10:22:02 |
| problems | im going to sleep | 10:22:07 |
| Irenes | I think the restorative justice references that spacekookie's feedback mentioned are relevant to this | 10:22:33 |
| *  joepie91 🏳️🌈 appears | 10:22:33 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | In reply to @zimbatm:numtide.com
Especially mediation techniques is pretty interesting to me. I would rather people resolve their issues with one another rather than resorting to blocks. Blocks are sort of a bandaid. They create weird situations where people speak in the void because the other party has blocked them. It's a useful tool but it's also degrading the community as a whole. I strongly agree with this, ftr | 10:22:55 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | like, very very strongly | 10:23:04 |
| Irenes | me too | 10:23:22 |
| Irenes | I think I'm on record saying that repeatedly | 10:23:27 |
 @zimbatm:numtide.com | being able to beta test some of the ideas would be really good | 10:23:31 |
| Irenes | but in case I'm not, I'll say it again | 10:23:33 |
| Irenes | sure, that makes sense | 10:23:49 |
| Irenes | I think blocks are necessary and would exist even in my ideal state, but I also think any time they actually happen it's a strong indication that something went wrong | 10:24:10 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | In reply to @zimbatm:numtide.com
Is there any source material that we can use to learn more about the topic? there's a lot of this material in anarchist theory, but that is maybe not the most accessible option here. if I recall correctly, Freenode used to have a mediation policy that went into some amount of detail about this, but I'm unsure whether it survived the move to Libera | 10:24:45 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | ah, it has! | 10:25:03 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | https://libera.chat/guides/catalyst | 10:25:04 |
| Irenes | ooh | 10:25:09 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | it is somewhat specific to IRC mechanisms but still addresses some de-escalation techniques | 10:25:21 |
| Irenes | right, yeah when I'm rested I can definitely go into detail on this | 10:25:31 |
| Irenes | or rather | 10:25:35 |
| Irenes | probably better if zimbatm leads the conversation but I do have thoughts on how each of these headings plays out in practice | 10:25:51 |
| Irenes | I agree with very nearly all of them | 10:25:58 |
| @zimbatm:numtide.com | thanks, I will have to take some time to read this | 10:26:15 |
| Irenes | and the parts I don't agree with are still true sometimes, just I've seen them be oppressive too | 10:26:16 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | I haven't read the Libera version yet, but the Freenode version did suffer from some cultural holdovers, so it should probably be read with that context in mind - this was written like two decades ago | 10:26:33 |
| Irenes | sure | 10:26:53 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | doesn't make it not useful, just affects the lens to read it through :) | 10:27:00 |
| @zimbatm:numtide.com | how I see it, a lot of what we do is based on daily practices and cultural norms | 10:27:31 |
| @zimbatm:numtide.com | adding all of that to the RFC would make it super long | 10:27:45 |
| Irenes | sure | 10:28:04 |
