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RFC 98 Chat

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22 Nov 2021
@irenes:matrix.orgIreneslike visible only to moderators maybe?23:41:53
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenes I don't think that would be right for this proposal, because we're trying to minimize the extent to which the community team's formal power places them above the rest of the community 23:42:17
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenes like there's a need for there to be some or this wouldn't work because bad actors would refuse to engage with it 23:42:31
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesbut we want it to be just the essential elements23:42:39
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesbut it could well be the right idea for a different community, with different goals23:42:53
@ryblade:matrix.org@ryblade:matrix.org
In reply to @abathur:matrix.org
(note, I didn't say that it should be public; you've projected that)
excuse me, please cool it with the accusations, okay? "having a log that says a dozen contributors have blocked X for Y" is what you said, you were never clear about who would see this log. since we are discussing this in the context of an open source project, it was only natural that i assumed some transparency would be involved. furthermore, i still refuse to upload any data to even a private team of moderators whenever i block a person. that. is. PRIVATE.
23:42:55
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesyeah I think it was a natural way to understand the thing, fwiw, and I also read it that way at first23:44:03
@abathur:matrix.org@abathur:matrix.orgYou have the power to ask if I meant a private or public log23:46:55
@ryblade:matrix.org@ryblade:matrix.orgi also have the power to not CONSENT to such a system in the first place, public or private.23:47:50
@abathur:matrix.org@abathur:matrix.orgSure23:48:07
@ryblade:matrix.org@ryblade:matrix.organd please refrain from demeaning me, i've already asked this once already23:48:37
@ryblade:matrix.org@ryblade:matrix.orgreminding me i have the power and all that, honestly23:48:52
@ryblade:matrix.org@ryblade:matrix.orgi am talking about blocking people being a personal virtue of mine, after all. i'm quite aware of the power that's available to me. but i'd prefer that we be capable of having a discussion without enmity.23:50:49
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesabathur: I appreciate you offering the correction about what you meant23:51:02
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesI do think misunderstandings happen23:51:09
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesyou've corrected it now and I hope we can proceed to discuss what you were trying to say, not the manner it was said in23:51:29
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesand without making this personal23:51:35
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesI also am aware you're not fully at-keyboard now, and that this may not be the best time, and that's okay23:52:10
@abathur:matrix.org@abathur:matrix.orgI don't really feel like thinking out loud with absolute all caps rejections based on inferences23:54:25
@abathur:matrix.org@abathur:matrix.orgI think it's enough to sum it up: good history improves decisions 23:55:05
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesall right. I have no authority here, but as somebody who cares about stuff, I think both of you have said your piece and I'd like to ask you both to take a break and cool down a bit.23:55:26
@abathur:matrix.org@abathur:matrix.orgAnd part of good history is detaching the history mechanisms from punishment23:55:34
@ryblade:matrix.org@ryblade:matrix.org
In reply to @abathur:matrix.org
I don't really feel like thinking out loud with absolute all caps rejections based on inferences
it was one word and you were already warned about nit-picking over words and language policing
23:55:38
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesyou're free to ignore that request.23:55:39
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesbut I think things will go better with a break.23:55:51
@ryblade:matrix.org@ryblade:matrix.org
In reply to @abathur:matrix.org
I don't really feel like thinking out loud with absolute all caps rejections based on inferences
* absolute? it was one word, and you were already warned about nit-picking over words and language policing
23:56:03
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesthat means both of you just to be clear23:56:24
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesstepping back only works if it's bilateral23:56:32
@ryblade:matrix.org@ryblade:matrix.orgfair enough23:57:04
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesthanks <323:57:13

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