| 4 Nov 2021 |
 @joepie91:pixie.town | correct. | 17:59:56 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | I think pretty much all of the views I've expressed here have been very specific :) | 18:00:12 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | as I've mentioned, I think all the cards should be put on the table | 18:00:40 |
 @zimbatm:numtide.com | again, this is very reminiscent of the American culture war | 18:03:14 |
| @zimbatm:numtide.com | it's painting a picture where there are some types of marginalized groups, that need special protections, across very specific lines | 18:04:10 |
| @zimbatm:numtide.com | nobody is talking about mentally disabled people for example | 18:04:31 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | that's because there are. and I reject the framing of a 'culture war', which implies this is some sort of passing fad. in reality, it's just a long history of systemic social issues coming to a head and finally getting addressed | 18:05:00 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | In reply to @zimbatm:numtide.com
nobody is talking about mentally disabled people for example I did earlier in this discussion, actually | 18:05:21 |
 Jan Tojnar | In reply to @zimbatm:numtide.com
nobody is talking about mentally disabled people for example people are talking about that, stigmatization of mental illness is an issue | 18:05:42 |
| @zimbatm:numtide.com | what I mean is that there is a specific order that is being painted | 18:07:10 |
| @zimbatm:numtide.com | and sorry to those who have been though this 1000 times :p | 18:07:36 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | In reply to @zimbatm:numtide.com
what I mean is that there is a specific order that is being painted yes, there is. and contrary to what people often claim, that is not actually a bad thing - it's explicitly calling things out instead of leaving them implicit. | 18:08:11 |
| @zimbatm:numtide.com | ^ this whole notion is basically what people call "woke" | 18:08:18 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | there is a specific order in society. that is true whether or not you call it out. | 18:08:34 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | we live in a hierarchical society. | 18:08:48 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | I just choose to be explicit about calling out that order and how to counteract it, as best as possible with the means available. | 18:09:06 |
| @zimbatm:numtide.com | see, this is really the problematic part | 18:09:15 |
| @zimbatm:numtide.com | by opening this box, now you're thinking of rewriting society as a whole to fix the injustices of the world | 18:09:42 |
| @zimbatm:numtide.com | now you're going to say that it falls on the NixOS project to participate in that grand effort | 18:10:06 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | not exactly. | 18:10:15 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | I am an activist, so yes, I am thinking a lot about 'rewriting society', if that's the terminology you want to use. but in this specific discussion, that is not my goal | 18:10:40 |
| @zimbatm:numtide.com | it's reminiscent of communism, except that people are categorized by minorities instead of classes | 18:10:58 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | in the case of NixOS specifically, it's not about changing society through NixOS; it's about structuring NixOS to shield itself from the fallout of society | 18:11:05 |
