| 4 Nov 2021 |
 @joepie91:pixie.town | Jonas Chevalier: I agree with that in general, but with the caveat that this only applies when everybody involved is acting in good faith | 14:35:15 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | which is usually the case, but it often only takes one person who isn't acting in good faith to make things go bad very quickly | 14:35:33 |
 @zimbatm:numtide.com | even the people above that were labelled toxic, are just people. behind the words are legitimate fears | 14:35:49 |
| @zimbatm:numtide.com | we have to acknowledge that, and also john's concerns | 14:36:50 |
 Jan Tojnar | I guess we (libertarian types) have the tendency to always extrapolate the actions to the worst case scenario, even though we might be completely in agreement on specifics with the today’s well-meaning left, we do not know who will come after them. | 14:36:56 |
 tomberek | You are suggesting large disruptions are necessary to our community norms, in order to prevent large disruptions. Some are seeing this conversation as a disruption, one in which there has not been a lot of empathetic behavior, impacting newcomers. What gives this disruption the moral high ground to occur and not others? | 14:37:00 |
 @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | The belief of righteousness is what justifies it, hence why our friend has almost nothing that they're uncertain about | 14:37:31 |
| @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | When you're arguing from a position of already being correct, it's difficult to lose an argument | 14:37:46 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | Jonas Chevalier: I'm certainly aware of that - I don't think most people know this about me, but I have a long long history of helping people to 'deradicalize', functioning as an (albeit limited) support network for people trying to get out of abusive right-extremist communities and the like, mediating between them and communities they have been removed from in the past, and so on. but none of that can work until the person in question shows themselves open to genuine good-faith conversation | 14:38:30 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | I also do not describe to the view of toxic people being fundamentally, immutably toxic | 14:39:12 |
