| 4 Nov 2021 |
 tomberek | Understood. | 01:27:41 |
 @joepie91:pixie.town | "contributing to a technical project" and "caring for a healthy community" are two distinct things | 01:27:45 |
 jonringer | * I started the RFC but finding it hard to see it through the end. The RFC process is long and stressful as well | 01:27:45 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | (and a healthy project needs people who do both) | 01:28:40 |
| jonringer | Yes, but playing a "single person version" of the technical game doesn't keep you engaged after a long time. And there's many different aspects that people may find rewarding or burdening | 01:28:45 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | I don't see how this relates to what I've said | 01:29:16 |
| jonringer | Some people want to focus on the technical side, but interacting with other contributors is still a key part of this. Likewise, some people may like that they have found others with similar interests | 01:30:11 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town |
but interacting with other contributors is still a key part of this
this is correct, and it's actually a big part of why I said "everything is political"
| 01:30:39 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | technical contributions aren't just posting some code, it involves interaction and collaboration, and personality and ideology will shine through in that | 01:31:14 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | which is why it is a problem when you have, say, a misogynist contributor | 01:31:33 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | because they will end up making women feel unsafe in contributing to the project | 01:32:07 |
| jonringer |
relating to the ideas or strategies of a particular party or group in politics.
If you want to take that in context of nix being a party or group, then sure.
| 01:32:16 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | just in ways that are more subtle than a 'formal' political discussion | 01:32:26 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | okay, it's 02:32, I really need to go to bed. | 01:32:56 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | goodnight all | 01:33:09 |
| tomberek | I'm not sure what the original point/argument/claim was. | 01:33:50 |
| tomberek | That objective moderation doesn't work? | 01:34:10 |
| jonringer | In reply to @joepie91:pixie.town
because they will end up making women feel unsafe in contributing to the project sure, but that behavior will manifest it ways that can be addressed and dealt with, either through arbitration or moderation | 01:34:32 |
| tomberek | Or that attempts at it backfire? | 01:34:44 |
| tomberek | Oh, there is something interesting in the "Ignores are not a solution for abuse" comment. | 01:39:13 |
| tomberek | Would that be a reasonable way to think about what reaches the level of harassment/abuse? If it can be reasonably ignored? If it can, then it is not - and vice versa? | 01:40:50 |
 moritz.hedtke | In reply to @tomberek:matrix.org
Would that be a reasonable way to think about what reaches the level of harassment/abuse? If it can be reasonably ignored? If it can, then it is not - and vice versa? I think the "white european males" of us could probably think like that but that privilege probably doesn't have everybody. | 01:43:29 |
| moritz.hedtke | I think it boils down to what can be ignored which is extremely subjective | 01:44:04 |
| jonringer | In reply to @moritz.hedtke:matrix.org
I think it boils down to what can be ignored which is extremely subjective obviously harassment and malicious shouldn't be tolerated. However, I've rarely seen this outside of very rare incidents | 01:45:27 |
| moritz.hedtke | In reply to @jonringer:matrix.org
obviously harassment and malicious shouldn't be tolerated. However, I've rarely seen this outside of very rare incidents That's what we all (hopefully) can agree on | 01:45:58 |
| jonringer | And generally they are just an individual acting out. Not some greater plot of privileged individuals to oppress a minority | 01:46:26 |
| tomberek | The subjectivity is somewhat bounded. It is not completely arbitrary. | 01:47:01 |
| moritz.hedtke | In reply to @jonringer:matrix.org
And generally they are just an individual acting out. Not some greater plot of privileged individuals to oppress a minority I don't want to speak for others but I think there are people who would disagree (but are sleeping) | 01:47:46 |
| jonringer | I think there's way too much generalization going on and any meaning is being lost by shades of gray | 01:47:49 |
| jonringer | I'm absolutely sure there are people who disagree. And I'm sure I'm part of that "privileged" oppressor group | 01:48:30 |
