| 4 Nov 2021 |
 joepie91 🏳️🌈 | (and I mean 'being argued' by people in general, not you specifically) | 01:26:37 |
 jonringer | For anyone who's actively contributed over the course of months to years, obviously they care about nixpkgs and the greater community | 01:26:38 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | no, it doesn't work that way | 01:26:51 |
 tomberek | Did you decide to do the Rust CoC approach? | 01:27:06 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | it is entirely possible to be an active contributor and still not care for all of the community, and in fact that's often where communities break apart | 01:27:13 |
| tomberek | or put that on hold for now? | 01:27:16 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | see also: https://intenseminimalism.com/2020/the-impact-of-toxic-influencers-on-communities/ | 01:27:26 |
| jonringer | I started the RFC but finding it hard to see it through the end. The RFC is long and stressful as well | 01:27:30 |
| tomberek | Understood. | 01:27:41 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | "contributing to a technical project" and "caring for a healthy community" are two distinct things | 01:27:45 |
| jonringer | * I started the RFC but finding it hard to see it through the end. The RFC process is long and stressful as well | 01:27:45 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | (and a healthy project needs people who do both) | 01:28:40 |
| jonringer | Yes, but playing a "single person version" of the technical game doesn't keep you engaged after a long time. And there's many different aspects that people may find rewarding or burdening | 01:28:45 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | I don't see how this relates to what I've said | 01:29:16 |
| jonringer | Some people want to focus on the technical side, but interacting with other contributors is still a key part of this. Likewise, some people may like that they have found others with similar interests | 01:30:11 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 |
but interacting with other contributors is still a key part of this
this is correct, and it's actually a big part of why I said "everything is political"
| 01:30:39 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | technical contributions aren't just posting some code, it involves interaction and collaboration, and personality and ideology will shine through in that | 01:31:14 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | which is why it is a problem when you have, say, a misogynist contributor | 01:31:33 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | because they will end up making women feel unsafe in contributing to the project | 01:32:07 |
| jonringer |
relating to the ideas or strategies of a particular party or group in politics.
If you want to take that in context of nix being a party or group, then sure.
| 01:32:16 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | just in ways that are more subtle than a 'formal' political discussion | 01:32:26 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | okay, it's 02:32, I really need to go to bed. | 01:32:56 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | goodnight all | 01:33:09 |
| tomberek | I'm not sure what the original point/argument/claim was. | 01:33:50 |
| tomberek | That objective moderation doesn't work? | 01:34:10 |
| jonringer | In reply to @joepie91:pixie.town
because they will end up making women feel unsafe in contributing to the project sure, but that behavior will manifest it ways that can be addressed and dealt with, either through arbitration or moderation | 01:34:32 |
| tomberek | Or that attempts at it backfire? | 01:34:44 |
| tomberek | Oh, there is something interesting in the "Ignores are not a solution for abuse" comment. | 01:39:13 |
| tomberek | Would that be a reasonable way to think about what reaches the level of harassment/abuse? If it can be reasonably ignored? If it can, then it is not - and vice versa? | 01:40:50 |
 moritz.hedtke | In reply to @tomberek:matrix.org
Would that be a reasonable way to think about what reaches the level of harassment/abuse? If it can be reasonably ignored? If it can, then it is not - and vice versa? I think the "white european males" of us could probably think like that but that privilege probably doesn't have everybody. | 01:43:29 |
