| 4 Nov 2021 |
 joepie91 🏳️🌈 | moritz.hedtke: very roughly (it's late): 'politics' is not just about party politics, but about all policy, governance and culture that materially affects people's quality of life. this ranges from "oppressive ideologies that make people feel unsafe", to actual party politics, to community governance, to a lot of other things | 01:20:38 |
 Jan Tojnar | * ¿the community consists of more than just pull requests? | 01:20:41 |
 jonringer | In reply to @joepie91:pixie.town
if your only horse in this race is "how does this make life easier or harder for me personally" and you are unwilling to consider what is being said or meant beyond that, I question whether you should be involved in the process here I made the discussion around me, because I'm fine with having my own actions blasted. To insinuate that all I care about is myself, is also disingenuous. One of the many aspects that I love about the nix community is being able to learn from others, there's a lot of talented people contribute and it's great to see approaches to problems. | 01:21:36 |
| jonringer | In reply to @joepie91:pixie.town
if your only horse in this race is "how does this make life easier or harder for me personally" and you are unwilling to consider what is being said or meant beyond that, I question whether you should be involved in the process here * I made the discussion around me, because I'm fine with having my own actions blasted. To insinuate that all I care about is myself, is also disingenuous. One of the many aspects that I love about the nix community is being able to learn from others, there's a lot of talented people contribute and it's great to see their approaches to problems. | 01:21:56 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | jonringer: that's a lot of words that ultimately still fail to address any of the points I've made, which are about the community, not about you | 01:22:17 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | and with that I think it's time for me to be off to bed | 01:22:52 |
 moritz.hedtke | Good night. I should probably go to bed too :-) | 01:23:20 |
| jonringer | This is not fun for me. And dealing with inter-personal issues doesn't come easy for me. It causes me a lot of stress. | 01:24:03 |
| jonringer | Honestly, I'm pretty close to leaving the community | 01:24:14 |
| jonringer | I want to invest my free time in something that I find fun and interesting. Nix has bee more stress than enjoyment for the past 6 months | 01:25:06 |
| jonringer | * I want to invest my free time in something that I find fun and interesting. Nix has been more stress than enjoyment for the past 6 months | 01:25:17 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | I can completely understand dealing with interpersonal conflict being stressful. however, that is not a justification for making that someone else's problem | 01:25:29 |
 tomberek | jonringer: that's the danger of all this.... raised stress... less participation..... less community | 01:25:31 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | but that is definitely the subtext of what's being argued here and in offtopic over the past few hours | 01:25:56 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | "I want to not have to care about what I say" | 01:26:04 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | (and I mean 'being argued' by people in general, not you specifically) | 01:26:37 |
| jonringer | For anyone who's actively contributed over the course of months to years, obviously they care about nixpkgs and the greater community | 01:26:38 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | no, it doesn't work that way | 01:26:51 |
| tomberek | Did you decide to do the Rust CoC approach? | 01:27:06 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | it is entirely possible to be an active contributor and still not care for all of the community, and in fact that's often where communities break apart | 01:27:13 |
| tomberek | or put that on hold for now? | 01:27:16 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | see also: https://intenseminimalism.com/2020/the-impact-of-toxic-influencers-on-communities/ | 01:27:26 |
| jonringer | I started the RFC but finding it hard to see it through the end. The RFC is long and stressful as well | 01:27:30 |
| tomberek | Understood. | 01:27:41 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | "contributing to a technical project" and "caring for a healthy community" are two distinct things | 01:27:45 |
| jonringer | * I started the RFC but finding it hard to see it through the end. The RFC process is long and stressful as well | 01:27:45 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | (and a healthy project needs people who do both) | 01:28:40 |
| jonringer | Yes, but playing a "single person version" of the technical game doesn't keep you engaged after a long time. And there's many different aspects that people may find rewarding or burdening | 01:28:45 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | I don't see how this relates to what I've said | 01:29:16 |
| jonringer | Some people want to focus on the technical side, but interacting with other contributors is still a key part of this. Likewise, some people may like that they have found others with similar interests | 01:30:11 |
