| 4 Nov 2021 |
 jonringer | because it's the most common action I perform. And takes up probably a majority of my time when I decide to dedicate time to nixpkgs | 01:13:27 |
 joepie91 🏳️🌈 | this discussion is about the community, not about you personally. | 01:13:59 |
| jonringer | Am I not part of the community? | 01:14:29 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | if your only horse in this race is "how does this make life easier or harder for me personally" and you are unwilling to consider what is being said or meant beyond that, I question whether you should be involved in the process here | 01:14:32 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | sure, emphasis on 'part of' | 01:14:38 |
| jonringer | My life is easier when there's more contributors. Maintaining the scope of nixpkgs is not meant to be done by one person. | 01:15:16 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | you're not engaging with my point. | 01:15:41 |
| jonringer | My goal is the success of nix, and that will be achieved by increasing the contributor base. | 01:15:43 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | (nor trying to understand it) | 01:16:27 |
 Jan Tojnar | ¿the community is more than just pull requests? | 01:17:55 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | look, the reason that I did a skim and not a full read is because I am about to go to bed. and I'd be happy to provide some quick clarification if something is unclear, but if this is going to be a series of 'not engaging with what I'm saying but posting one's own opinions instead' and 'talking about personal interests and not community interests', then I'm checking out for tonight | 01:18:07 |
 moritz.hedtke | On that note is there a definition for "political" in the sense used here that is clearer in an international community? | 01:18:15 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | because I do not see that going anywhere productive | 01:18:20 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | so if you have a genuine request for clarification on something I've said, this is the time to ask it | 01:18:34 |
| jonringer | In reply to @jtojnar:matrix.org
¿the community is more than just pull requests? Yes, I realize this. | 01:19:39 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | moritz.hedtke: very roughly (it's late): 'politics' is not just about party politics, but about all policy, governance and culture that materially affects people's quality of life. this ranges from "oppressive ideologies that make people feel unsafe", to actual party politics, to community governance, to a lot of other things | 01:20:38 |
| Jan Tojnar | * ¿the community consists of more than just pull requests? | 01:20:41 |
| jonringer | In reply to @joepie91:pixie.town
if your only horse in this race is "how does this make life easier or harder for me personally" and you are unwilling to consider what is being said or meant beyond that, I question whether you should be involved in the process here I made the discussion around me, because I'm fine with having my own actions blasted. To insinuate that all I care about is myself, is also disingenuous. One of the many aspects that I love about the nix community is being able to learn from others, there's a lot of talented people contribute and it's great to see approaches to problems. | 01:21:36 |
| jonringer | In reply to @joepie91:pixie.town
if your only horse in this race is "how does this make life easier or harder for me personally" and you are unwilling to consider what is being said or meant beyond that, I question whether you should be involved in the process here * I made the discussion around me, because I'm fine with having my own actions blasted. To insinuate that all I care about is myself, is also disingenuous. One of the many aspects that I love about the nix community is being able to learn from others, there's a lot of talented people contribute and it's great to see their approaches to problems. | 01:21:56 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | jonringer: that's a lot of words that ultimately still fail to address any of the points I've made, which are about the community, not about you | 01:22:17 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | and with that I think it's time for me to be off to bed | 01:22:52 |
| moritz.hedtke | Good night. I should probably go to bed too :-) | 01:23:20 |
| jonringer | This is not fun for me. And dealing with inter-personal issues doesn't come easy for me. It causes me a lot of stress. | 01:24:03 |
| jonringer | Honestly, I'm pretty close to leaving the community | 01:24:14 |
| jonringer | I want to invest my free time in something that I find fun and interesting. Nix has bee more stress than enjoyment for the past 6 months | 01:25:06 |
| jonringer | * I want to invest my free time in something that I find fun and interesting. Nix has been more stress than enjoyment for the past 6 months | 01:25:17 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | I can completely understand dealing with interpersonal conflict being stressful. however, that is not a justification for making that someone else's problem | 01:25:29 |
 tomberek | jonringer: that's the danger of all this.... raised stress... less participation..... less community | 01:25:31 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | but that is definitely the subtext of what's being argued here and in offtopic over the past few hours | 01:25:56 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | "I want to not have to care about what I say" | 01:26:04 |
