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3 Nov 2021
@ryblade:matrix.orgryblade"be kind and courteous": i'd be kicked out of here if i used a certain word that people use to show affection for one another in australia...20:16:36
@ryblade:matrix.orgrybladenot to nit pick, but it's really impossible to keep everyone happy. it's like wargames, the only way to win is to not play.20:17:25
@jonringer:matrix.orgjonringer
In reply to @ryblade:matrix.org
i agree, and i don't see how that conflicts with my ideas of telling people to use the block feature unless the blocking doesn't work for some fringe reason usually attributed to abuse of service. tell people to block, first. if that DOESN'T work, call a moderator. simple as.
Overt offenses are generally easy to call out. But I think dismissive and negative commentary should also not be addressed (probably not by banning, but by bringing it up in a private converstation in the individual)
20:17:41
@jonringer:matrix.orgjonringer
In reply to @ryblade:matrix.org
i agree, and i don't see how that conflicts with my ideas of telling people to use the block feature unless the blocking doesn't work for some fringe reason usually attributed to abuse of service. tell people to block, first. if that DOESN'T work, call a moderator. simple as.
* Overt offenses are generally easy to call out. But I think dismissive and negative commentary should also not be addressed (probably not by banning, but by bringing it up in a private conversation in the individual)
20:17:51
@jonringer:matrix.orgjonringer *

Overt offenses are generally easy to call out. But I think dismissive and negative commentary should also not be addressed (probably not by banning, but by bringing it up in a private conversation in the individual).

with smaller infractions, someone is going to be less likely to say, "hey this per needs to be banned". But I could see, "hey this person is exhibiting unproductive behavior, and it's taking away from my desire to contribute to nix"

20:18:39
@jonringer:matrix.orgjonringerexample: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/120729#discussion_r62265302620:19:00
@jonringer:matrix.orgjonringer *

Overt offenses are generally easy to call out. But I think dismissive and negative commentary should also not be addressed (probably not by banning, but by bringing it up in a private conversation in the individual).

with smaller infractions, someone is going to be less likely to say, "hey this person needs to be banned". But I could see, "hey this person is exhibiting unproductive behavior, and it's taking away from my desire to contribute to nix"

20:19:20
@jonringer:matrix.orgjonringer *

Overt offenses are generally easy to call out. But I think dismissive and negative commentary should also be addressed (probably not by banning, but by bringing it up in a private conversation in the individual).

with smaller infractions, someone is going to be less likely to say, "hey this person needs to be banned". But I could see, "hey this person is exhibiting unproductive behavior, and it's taking away from my desire to contribute to nix"

20:20:27
@jonringer:matrix.orgjonringergah, I really need to re-read my stuff, keep leaving (or leaving out) "not"s and other key words20:20:50
@ryblade:matrix.orgrybladelooks to me like the two of them need to block each other, but i have no knowledge of either of their histories. either way, seeing the bickering spill out into the public like that doesn't exactly paint the best picture of camaraderie... i can see where you're coming from, too, jon.20:27:36
@jonringer:matrix.orgjonringerHonestly, with the amount of hatred thrown at sandro, I'm surprised he's still around.20:28:51
@ryblade:matrix.orgrybladewhat's the deal, is he just brusque like torvalds and it gets people's dander up? honestly don't know anything about his character.20:30:30
@gallantchef:matrix.foxears.lifeGallantChefNot even that, he's just short and to the point 20:30:59
@gallantchef:matrix.foxears.lifeGallantChefAfaict 20:31:04
@ryblade:matrix.orgrybladedamn, that's considered a bad quality now?20:31:36
@jonringer:matrix.orgjonringer
In reply to @ryblade:matrix.org
what's the deal, is he just brusque like torvalds and it gets people's dander up? honestly don't know anything about his character.
his desire for conformity of nix contributions clashed a lot with the existing culture.
20:31:38
@ryblade:matrix.orgrybladei wish my brain would let me say things in less words, wow20:31:53
@jonringer:matrix.orgjonringerAnd doubling down on his efforts just made things worse.20:32:27
@jonringer:matrix.orgjonringer * And doubling down on his efforts (automated reviews, pedantic review comments, etc) just made things worse.20:32:56
@ryblade:matrix.orgrybladeah, i understand.20:33:34
@abathur:matrix.orgabathursome people get annoyed when someone merges a PR for a package they're listed as the maintainer of without waiting for their review20:33:57
@abathur:matrix.orgabathurdoubly so when it breaks the package or some of its consumers20:34:07
@jonringer:matrix.orgjonringer

Not everyone values minimal responses. Him being short, was perceived as rude: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/120729#discussion_r621617554

a) You're lacking context. Sandro has previously been petty and rude when reviewing PRs I've made. Please don't jump in and assume things. While I have him blocked, GitHub doesn't actually do anything other than show this to him, filter notification e-mails to me, and hide random pieces of the UI. Since Sandro hasn't taken the hint by now that maybe it's impolite to continue harassing someone who has asked them to stop doing so, I think actually giving him a response at all is being more courteous than is necessary.

20:34:43
@ryblade:matrix.orgrybladesounds like his heart may have been in the right place even if his actions were not... god, i hate these tough calls.20:34:57
@ryblade:matrix.orgrybladejudging by deviant's description of github's block feature, sounds like github itself may need a few pull requests of its own :D20:35:24
@ryblade:matrix.orgrybladeanyway, i gotta get out of here, i'm late for something, this discussion is too damn interesting20:35:56
@ryblade:matrix.orgrybladeit seems like at least clear heads are prevailing for now, i feel reassured coming here and talking with all of you :)20:37:40
@jonringer:matrix.orgjonringerAnd that's not why I'm a big fan of the block "feature". Sure, if someone is targeting you specifically, then you can still use the platform. But when it's just someone's involvement, and they are acting in bad faith.... then... something failed and someone felt it was necessary to go the blocking route instead of some arbitration20:38:09
@jonringer:matrix.orgjonringer * And that's not why I'm not a big fan of the block "feature". Sure, if someone is targeting you specifically, then you can still use the platform. But when it's just someone's involvement, and they are acting in bad faith.... then... something failed and someone felt it was necessary to go the blocking route instead of some arbitration20:38:18
@jonringer:matrix.orgjonringer * And that's not why I'm not a big fan of the block "feature". Sure, if someone is targeting you specifically, then you can still use the platform if you block them. But when it's just someone's involvement, and they are acting in bad faith.... then... something failed and someone felt it was necessary to go the blocking route instead of some arbitration20:38:29

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