| 3 Nov 2021 |
 @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | Exactly | 19:33:35 |
| @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | At that point it has become actual harassment | 19:33:45 |
| @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | And not just "this person hurt my feelings inadvertantly" | 19:33:52 |
 @ryblade:matrix.org | In reply to @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life
I do second ryblade's suggestion. We could briefly mention "hey, if you don't like someone's behaviour, you can try blocking them before escalating the issue" * and if a true bully tries to, say, sign up a bunch of sock accounts to harass you nonstop with, then yeah, call a moderator! but not because one person called you the wrong pronoun and you're literally shaking. | 19:33:59 |
| @ryblade:matrix.org | * and if a true bully tries to, say, sign up a bunch of sock accounts to harass you nonstop with, then yeah, call a moderator! but not because one person called you the wrong pronoun and you're "omg literally shaking". | 19:34:18 |
 @jonringer:matrix.org | As mention in the supersandro incident from may. Blocking isn't always the best course of action. I would say it's more appropriate to flag the user and let someone attempt to remedy it | 19:34:51 |
| @ryblade:matrix.org | * and if a true bully tries to, say, sign up a bunch of sock accounts to harass you nonstop with, then yeah, call a moderator! but not because one person called you the wrong pronoun by accident and you're "omg literally shaking". | 19:34:59 |
| @ryblade:matrix.org | In reply to @jonringer:matrix.org
As mention in the supersandro incident from may. Blocking isn't always the best course of action. I would say it's more appropriate to flag the user and let someone attempt to remedy it context? missed that incident. | 19:35:12 |
| @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | I still can't believe there was a Sandro incident. They've always seemed really cool from what I've seen of them | 19:35:18 |
| @jonringer:matrix.org | https://discourse.nixos.org/t/github-block-evasion-is-not-acceptable/12763 | 19:35:31 |
 tomberek | jonringer: David had some thoughts on CoC: https://www.contributor-covenant.org/version/2/1/code_of_conduct/code_of_conduct.md | 19:35:55 |
| @ryblade:matrix.org | block evasion would fall into the context of abuse of service, which i agree is an appropriate application of good moderation. | 19:36:08 |
| @jonringer:matrix.org | In reply to @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life
I still can't believe there was a Sandro incident. They've always seemed really cool from what I've seen of them sandro is a machine (I mean that in the best way possible). but he can often come off short. Especially when he's doing 100-1200 comments a day | 19:36:46 |
| @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | That encourages me to take their side over anyone who gets "offended" by his shortness | 19:37:27 |
| @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | * That encourages me to take his side over anyone who gets "offended" by his shortness | 19:37:35 |
| @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | If his focus is on work, then his focus is in the right place | 19:37:45 |
| @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | If someone wants to harbour/foster enmity instead of focusing on the task at hand, well, I think they fell short of what I would consider good values | 19:38:16 |
| @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | I think this is actually extremely apropos of the CoC RFC | 19:38:50 |
| @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | We want to discourage drama, and encourage working together | 19:39:06 |
| @jonringer:matrix.org | Anyway, didn't intend to bring that baggage back up. But similar individuals are involved, and a similar outcry for enacting a safe space was called for. It's my personal opinion that RFC#98 was created in response to it. | 19:39:20 |
| @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | Enacting a safe space would discourage good contributors from contributing | 19:39:46 |
| @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | But a CoC for a CoC's sake that touches enough of the points that are desired may be a good middle way | 19:40:08 |
| @ryblade:matrix.org | In reply to @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life
We want to discourage drama, and encourage working together and this is precisely why we can't let moderation devolve into hunting down "offensive" people, that is a bloodsport that never, ever ends. just look at twitter, it's a warzone out there! | 19:40:13 |
| @jonringer:matrix.org | In reply to @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life
Enacting a safe space would discourage good contributors from contributing That's not strictly true. I probably wouldn't notice 98 if all I did was issues and PRs | 19:40:25 |
| @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | I suppose I'm less concerned about 98 initself rather than the possible (inevitable) consequences of enacting such a thing | 19:41:07 |
| @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | But that leads to "extrapolation" as you called it | 19:41:13 |
| @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | But I suspect you share my concern | 19:41:18 |
| @jonringer:matrix.org | In reply to @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life
Enacting a safe space would discourage good contributors from contributing * That's not strictly true. I probably wouldn't notice 98 being ratified if all I did was issues and PRs. | 19:41:23 |
| @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | * Although I suspect you share my concern | 19:41:40 |
| @jonringer:matrix.org | I summarized my concern: https://discourse.nixos.org/t/moderation-is-not-leadership/15750/18? | 19:42:06 |
