| 3 Nov 2021 |
 jonringer | This is getting off subject from the RFC. | 19:30:12 |
| jonringer | In reply to @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life
Frankly, just saying this stuff out loud has me fearful that I'll be doxxed by someone who disagrees Can't be doxxed, if you doxxed yourself (e.g. me) | 19:30:25 |
 GallantChef | Heh | 19:30:30 |
| GallantChef | That's fair | 19:30:32 |
| GallantChef | Anyways, back to the RFC. Moderating based on offense is a terrible idea | 19:30:47 |
| GallantChef | We should not do that | 19:30:50 |
| GallantChef | Anyone can feign offense | 19:30:56 |
| jonringer | In reply to @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life
Anyone can feign offense yes, but it will be up to the moderation team to decide the course of action. And that can be disputed in another RFC around the moderation team | 19:31:25 |
 ryblade | In reply to @jonringer:matrix.org
This is getting off subject from the RFC. not necessarily. i think that if we included a brief, friendly rundown on how to use some of the block features on discourse, matrix, etc., or at the very least provided links within, it would help offset a lot of requests to have a squad dedicated to taking down offensive people. without it, newcomers may assume that policy is "missing", without realizing that the topic had already been discussed and a solution had been found. | 19:31:59 |
| jonringer | reviewing 102, I think it doesn't have enough "teeth" to really do much. It really just defines the current situation in a formal RFC | 19:32:01 |
| jonringer | In reply to @ryblade:matrix.org
not necessarily. i think that if we included a brief, friendly rundown on how to use some of the block features on discourse, matrix, etc., or at the very least provided links within, it would help offset a lot of requests to have a squad dedicated to taking down offensive people. without it, newcomers may assume that policy is "missing", without realizing that the topic had already been discussed and a solution had been found. oh sorry, yes, it's still in context for RFC#98. Sorry, already had a head space around the CoC-only RFC | 19:32:29 |
| ryblade | ah | 19:32:41 |
| GallantChef | I do second ryblade's suggestion. We could briefly mention "hey, if you don't like someone's behaviour, you can try blocking them before escalating the issue" | 19:32:53 |
| GallantChef | It would save the moderation team a lot of pain in the long run | 19:33:12 |
| GallantChef | Who wants to deal with adults who got "offended" all day long, right? | 19:33:23 |
| ryblade | In reply to @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life
I do second ryblade's suggestion. We could briefly mention "hey, if you don't like someone's behaviour, you can try blocking them before escalating the issue" and if a true bully tries to, say, sign up a bunch of sock accounts to harass you nonstop with, then yeah, call a moderator! | 19:33:28 |
| GallantChef | Exactly | 19:33:35 |
| GallantChef | At that point it has become actual harassment | 19:33:45 |
| GallantChef | And not just "this person hurt my feelings inadvertantly" | 19:33:52 |
| ryblade | In reply to @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life
I do second ryblade's suggestion. We could briefly mention "hey, if you don't like someone's behaviour, you can try blocking them before escalating the issue" * and if a true bully tries to, say, sign up a bunch of sock accounts to harass you nonstop with, then yeah, call a moderator! but not because one person called you the wrong pronoun and you're literally shaking. | 19:33:59 |
| ryblade | * and if a true bully tries to, say, sign up a bunch of sock accounts to harass you nonstop with, then yeah, call a moderator! but not because one person called you the wrong pronoun and you're "omg literally shaking". | 19:34:18 |
| jonringer | As mention in the supersandro incident from may. Blocking isn't always the best course of action. I would say it's more appropriate to flag the user and let someone attempt to remedy it | 19:34:51 |
| ryblade | * and if a true bully tries to, say, sign up a bunch of sock accounts to harass you nonstop with, then yeah, call a moderator! but not because one person called you the wrong pronoun by accident and you're "omg literally shaking". | 19:34:59 |
| ryblade | In reply to @jonringer:matrix.org
As mention in the supersandro incident from may. Blocking isn't always the best course of action. I would say it's more appropriate to flag the user and let someone attempt to remedy it context? missed that incident. | 19:35:12 |
| GallantChef | I still can't believe there was a Sandro incident. They've always seemed really cool from what I've seen of them | 19:35:18 |
| jonringer | https://discourse.nixos.org/t/github-block-evasion-is-not-acceptable/12763 | 19:35:31 |
 tomberek | jonringer: David had some thoughts on CoC: https://www.contributor-covenant.org/version/2/1/code_of_conduct/code_of_conduct.md | 19:35:55 |
| ryblade | block evasion would fall into the context of abuse of service, which i agree is an appropriate application of good moderation. | 19:36:08 |
| jonringer | In reply to @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life
I still can't believe there was a Sandro incident. They've always seemed really cool from what I've seen of them sandro is a machine (I mean that in the best way possible). but he can often come off short. Especially when he's doing 100-1200 comments a day | 19:36:46 |
| GallantChef | That encourages me to take their side over anyone who gets "offended" by his shortness | 19:37:27 |
