| 3 Nov 2021 |
 @jonringer:matrix.org | In reply to @jonringer:matrix.org
Moving forward, I would like to split RFC#98 into two RFCs, one defining the CoC for the NixOS ecosystem (with no mention of governing body). And another around the governing body, their powers, and the processes by which they exercise their powers (with no mention to CoC) Anyone feel like this line of thinking is out-of-line. I would like to proceed and put this behind us. I'm aware of two people that have left community because how much perceived drama and politicization is going on. I would like for no one else to be detoured to contribute because of a vocal minority of the community. | 19:04:21 |
 @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | No, I 100% agree that DYMOism is a terrible thing | 19:04:23 |
| @jonringer:matrix.org | In reply to @jonringer:matrix.org
Moving forward, I would like to split RFC#98 into two RFCs, one defining the CoC for the NixOS ecosystem (with no mention of governing body). And another around the governing body, their powers, and the processes by which they exercise their powers (with no mention to CoC) * Anyone feel like this line of thinking is out-of-line. I would like to proceed and put this behind us. I'm aware of two people that have left community because how much perceived drama and politicization is going on. I would like for no one else to be detoured to contribute because of a vocal minority of the community (myself included). | 19:04:32 |
| @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | But in this case it's not merely casting a label on someone for personal gain | 19:04:34 |
 @ryblade:matrix.org | them is a pronoun used as an object of a preposition, infinisil. it's used in place of an established subject within the context of a discussion. its purpose is brevity, not division. | 19:04:52 |
| @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | In reply to @jonringer:matrix.org
Anyone feel like this line of thinking is out-of-line. I would like to proceed and put this behind us. I'm aware of two people that have left community because how much perceived drama and politicization is going on. I would like for no one else to be detoured to contribute because of a vocal minority of the community (myself included). I think this is an appropriate way forward. Breaking things down into actionable components is the heart of programming | 19:05:21 |
| @ryblade:matrix.org | my intent was not to label but to be brief | 19:05:40 |
| @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | First establishing a code, and then establishing an enforcing body sounds like a reasonable approach | 19:05:59 |
| @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | The body would derive their authority from the former, rather than empowering it | 19:06:17 |
| @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | * The body would derive their authority from the former, rather than empowering it themselves | 19:06:22 |
| @ryblade:matrix.org | and my intent is what should matter, because everyone else's personal interpretation is going to be a different experience, a condition that is impossible to accommodate for everybody. | 19:06:27 |
| @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | Second to that, you can't make everyone happy | 19:06:43 |
| @ryblade:matrix.org | it is also to save myself from real physical pain caused by a real physical disability | 19:06:53 |
| @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | * Further to that (what ryblade said), you can't make everyone happy, and trying is a fool's errand | 19:07:07 |
| @ryblade:matrix.org | if it's still okay to call it a disability around here | 19:07:18 |
| @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | I think that largely depends on how this RFC ends up | 19:08:17 |
| @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | Compelled speech is definitely a very real possibility | 19:08:47 |
| @ryblade:matrix.org | i'm new here so go easy on me, i don't know what all the "bad words" are yet | 19:08:52 |
 @infinisil:matrix.org | I don't mind "them" vs "authoritarian", I mind "authoritarian" a bit, imo it dismisses individual users and indicates that there's an "us" and "we", aka a split community | 19:08:55 |
| @ryblade:matrix.org | oh god | 19:09:26 |
| @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | Isn't that the truth? There are very clearly people pushing for authoritarian policy | 19:09:28 |
| @ryblade:matrix.org | first you want us to stop saying them | 19:09:31 |
| @ryblade:matrix.org | and then when we are more clear, you're offended by that | 19:09:36 |
| @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | And there are very clearly people pushing against that | 19:09:37 |
| @ryblade:matrix.org | holy moly | 19:09:39 |
| @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | If two groups are pushing against one another, are they not divided? | 19:09:51 |
| @ryblade:matrix.org | am i supposed to wear my fingers to dust writing an essay on what specifically i mean by an authoritarian? | 19:10:37 |
| @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | I just want to know what the objective truth is here | 19:10:43 |
| @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | Maybe my perception is flawed | 19:10:50 |
| @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | But others seem to agree with my view | 19:10:56 |
