| 3 Nov 2021 |
 @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | I'm genuinely interested in such a thing | 18:49:16 |
 @ryblade:matrix.org | haven't read the rust one, i'll do that today for sure. | 18:49:36 |
| @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | They tend to focus on the software, and not the politics or drama | 18:49:48 |
| @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | Which I feel is the appropriate direction for a software project | 18:49:59 |
 @jonringer:matrix.org | Yea, but you have to have some sort of foundation. In 99% of my interaction in nixpkgs, things are pretty technical and dry. It's very rare that a CoC is really needed. | 18:50:00 |
| @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | It's only needed because of non-participants asking for one | 18:50:19 |
| @jonringer:matrix.org | But when incidents do arise, do you want something to say, "You are out of line, and this is why" | 18:50:20 |
| @ryblade:matrix.org | this sort of crap honestly feels like a hostile takeover, and it's always the usual suspects involved, too... not gonna say more than that for fear of stirring the hornet's nest. | 18:50:21 |
| @jonringer:matrix.org | In reply to @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life
It's only needed because of non-participants asking for one some of the people in the discussion do participate. And there's more way to participate than just issues and PRs | 18:50:45 |
| @jonringer:matrix.org | In reply to @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life
It's only needed because of non-participants asking for one * some of the people in the discussion do participate. And there's more ways to participate than just issues and PRs | 18:50:52 |
|  tomberek joined the room. | 18:50:56 |
| @ryblade:matrix.org | this needs to be stopped before they start demanding to know our vax status too | 18:50:59 |
| @jonringer:matrix.org | In reply to @ryblade:matrix.org
this needs to be stopped before they start demanding to know our vax status too I don't think that's the narrative. | 18:52:03 |
| @ryblade:matrix.org | perhaps that was a bit far, but who knows at this point. i'm always afraid of the "never satisfied" complex of internet authoritarians. | 18:52:54 |
| @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | The initial narrative matters precious little, because if you give them an inch, they'll take a mile. Or centimetre, and kilometre if we want to use internationally inclusive language | 18:53:16 |
| @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | Once they have their moderator committee, eventually they'll install more people who think like them | 18:53:46 |
| @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | And then it's all over but the crying | 18:53:49 |
| @jonringer:matrix.org | In reply to @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life
The initial narrative matters precious little, because if you give them an inch, they'll take a mile. Or centimetre, and kilometre if we want to use internationally inclusive language I would like to keep extrapolation out of the discussion, I've already spent too much time on off-topic discussions in off-topic | 18:53:58 |
| @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | That's fair | 18:54:09 |
| @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | Let's evaluate this in a vacuum then | 18:54:19 |
| @ryblade:matrix.org | very fair | 18:54:26 |
| @jonringer:matrix.org | I would really like to get to a point that we can all agree that these are all values that we hold dear in CoC. And move on from there. | 18:54:29 |
| @ryblade:matrix.org | apologies | 18:54:32 |
| @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | That sounds good to me | 18:54:38 |
 @infinisil:matrix.org | I'd appreciate if we aren't labeling people as "them". We won't find a resolution on any issue if it's "us" against "them". What we need is to better understand where everybody is coming from, what their arguments and experiences are, to find out where the differences lie and to find a good compromise | 18:54:46 |
| @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | Explicitly, I think the fear that me and ryblade share is of authoritarians. | 18:55:25 |
| @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life | We could say that instead of "them" | 18:55:34 |
| @jonringer:matrix.org | Agreed, first priority should be nixos. It's a technical community, it should be about technology first. Political or cultural support groups are better found elsewher | 18:55:41 |
| @jonringer:matrix.org | * Agreed, first priority should be nixos. It's a technical community, it should be about technology first. Political or cultural support groups are better found elsewhere | 18:55:45 |
| @ryblade:matrix.org | { them = [ authoritarians ] } | 18:56:12 |
