| 24 Nov 2021 |
|  @withoutwithin:matrix.org joined the room. | 22:14:55 |
| 25 Nov 2021 |
 @jkarlson:kapsi.fi | in general if someone want's to spam matrix right now there is almost nothing that can be done except for invite only | 06:39:53 |
| @jkarlson:kapsi.fi | like you can beat someone manually creating accounts, but you can't beat botnet | 06:43:05 |
 Irenes | Heh, "meditation/mediation". I mean, like, I do meditation on a regular basis as part of my spiritual practice, it's a powerful tool but I think it's heavyweight for this. It's a lifestyle choice with far-reaching implications, and not a thing I'd push at other people. | 21:43:19 |
| Irenes | expecting people to learn something does make sense | 21:44:08 |
| Irenes | I do think that some level of actual training is reasonable to think about; I've been involved in putting trainings together before (on different topics) and it's something that could reasonably be part of things down the line | 21:45:07 |
| Irenes | though it's a lot of work | 21:45:10 |
| Irenes | ryblade, we definitely don't intend to allow the community team to become a tool for spreading American hegemony or anything like that, and we will clarify the kind of cultural stuff that's meant in the rewrite | 21:46:53 |
| Irenes | you also mentioned creating a hierarchical structure as not being something to jump to quickly; the RFC talks about non-hierarchy, and the rewrite will be more explicit about that | 21:47:24 |
| Irenes | I am really glad to see Jonas and joepie's responses to all this, I don't have a lot to add on top of what they said | 21:47:56 |
| Irenes | in regards to the question about what to do about ryblade's dissent, I wouldn't personally suggest stopping it. having a position that would be abusive if enacted is a different thing from engaging in abusive ways. this channel is specifically for discussing this kind of disagreement. | 21:50:27 |
| Irenes | the line for action should be somewhere in the general vicinity of behavior that agrees with the normal functioning of the community for others. | 21:51:00 |
 ryblade | it's more marxism i'm concerned about spreading than anything. | 21:51:05 |
| Irenes | this discussion doesn't meet that bar. | 21:51:08 |
| ryblade | oh i guess someone i can't see has already brought up the question of what to do with me, that doesn't really surprise me. so i've become that dangerous, without even using a single slur. | 21:52:00 |
| Irenes | how this should be codified is a hard question, because of "rules vs principles", but anyway those are my thoughts | 21:52:03 |
| Irenes | that was tomberek | 21:52:53 |
| Irenes | several hours ago | 21:52:55 |
| Irenes | I'm just responding to scrollback | 21:52:58 |
| Irenes | I'm now caught up | 21:53:00 |
| ryblade | * oh i guess someone i can't see has already brought up the question of what actions must be taken to deal with me, that doesn't really surprise me. so i've become that dangerous, without even using a single slur. | 21:53:10 |
| Irenes | economic views would be entirely out of the scope of the community team and whatever economic systems community team members might believe in, they would be expected to put those views aside in their moderation actions | 21:53:30 |
| Irenes | as explicitly set forth in the RFC | 21:53:36 |
| Irenes | the question was raised by tomberek, not by me. your fight is with him. but please have it in private. | 21:54:03 |
| Irenes | I do find it ironic that you are complaining about not being able to see somebody else's remarks in the middle of a discussion in which you were advocating for blocking | 21:54:40 |
| Irenes | it's hard to take that seriously since it seems like a contradiction | 21:55:02 |
| Irenes | but to the extent that this is a sincere complaint, again, I'm simply responding to the question that was raised, because I feel obligated to do that as a proponent of the RFC | 21:55:26 |
 @piegames:matrix.org | In reply to @joepie91:pixie.town
ryblade (you/your): I'd seriously appreciate an answer here, btw. I am asking because I do not want to assume your intent, but that is the only thing I can do without an answer from you ryblade (you/your): pingback to ↑ and the backlog around it. | 21:57:08 |
| ryblade | i don't know what stretch of the imagination is required to turn my observation into a complaint, especially if it's the outcome of my own actions. also i neither have tomberek blocked nor did it seem he was calling for action, if anything my take is that he was warning against witch hunts, not calling for one. | 21:59:09 |
| ryblade | i mentioned it in the context of "oh, this happened", no plaintive language regarding not being able to see it was anywhere in what i said. | 22:01:56 |
