| 24 Nov 2021 |
 joepie91 🏳️🌈 | don't think I've ever had someone persist in more than one room | 21:57:22 |
| * joepie91 🏳️🌈 ponders bot-provided UI elements | 21:57:53 |
 problems | the argument against community team members having elevated perms on matrix is that it's impossible to deop someone with the same power level as yourself | 21:58:05 |
| problems | though they could have a lower PL still able to perform moderation actions | 21:58:32 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | yeah, that's the sort of construction I'd be thinking of | 21:58:46 |
| problems | it does require someone to have the highest power level and depend on them | 21:59:09 |
| problems | which is why we opted to not use that for the core function of the community team | 21:59:29 |
| problems | we wanted them to be able to manage their own members | 21:59:39 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | mmm | 21:59:55 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | is that not doable through mjolnir | 22:00:02 |
| problems | maybe! i haven't read mjolnir's documentation, to be entirely honest | 22:00:25 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | idea being eg. mjolnir has PL 101 | 22:00:34 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | and lets team members set up to PL 100 for others | 22:00:42 |
| problems | if that is possible, it would be nice | 22:01:00 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | just casually suggest it in the general vicinity of Matthew | 22:01:18 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | :p | 22:01:19 |
| problems | plus then we could be deopped most of the time and only have mjolnir op us when needed | 22:01:27 |
| problems | mjolnir is the new chanserv :p | 22:01:42 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | you could do that, but keep in mind that PL changes are fairly heavy on homeservers when they are frequent | 22:02:13 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | it also doesn't quite fix the issue of "who are the mods to talk to" | 22:02:24 |
| problems | we stated in the rfc that community team members should be listed on a page on the nixos website | 22:02:56 |
| problems | but yes, they should be discoverable through the chat platform itself | 22:03:09 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | right, that | 22:03:17 |
| problems | i believe mjolnir has functionality where you can dm the bot to ping the users in charge of it | 22:04:14 |
| problems | or ping the bot | 22:04:21 |
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| 25 Nov 2021 |
 @jkarlson:kapsi.fi | in general if someone want's to spam matrix right now there is almost nothing that can be done except for invite only | 06:39:53 |
| @jkarlson:kapsi.fi | like you can beat someone manually creating accounts, but you can't beat botnet | 06:43:05 |
 Irenes | Heh, "meditation/mediation". I mean, like, I do meditation on a regular basis as part of my spiritual practice, it's a powerful tool but I think it's heavyweight for this. It's a lifestyle choice with far-reaching implications, and not a thing I'd push at other people. | 21:43:19 |
| Irenes | expecting people to learn something does make sense | 21:44:08 |
