| 3 Nov 2021 |
|  philipp joined the room. | 18:39:17 |
 ryblade | gee, it's a good thing the discussion got moved here, offtopic is totally bumping with discussion right now... there was something said like nine minutes ago! :D | 18:40:52 |
| ryblade | jonringer: got any ideas on how to stop this from coming back again and again? something ironclad to keep this authoritarian cancer out for good? the problem is the persistence of these people, they never quit. | 18:43:09 |
 GallantChef | Second. We need to nip this in the bud | 18:43:27 |
|  Domen Kožar joined the room. | 18:43:36 |
| GallantChef | Give them no quarter | 18:43:39 |
| GallantChef | "Welcoming and inclusive" is obviously code for "tolerant of people I like and intolerant of those I dislike" | 18:44:24 |
| ryblade | nixos is TOO IMPORTANT to be destroyed by this, the only outcome i've ever seen of these CoC campaigns is decay, stagnation, division and infighting. | 18:44:32 |
| ryblade | we've got, what, two operating systems based off a declarative model, one of which is based off of this one? | 18:45:19 |
 jonringer | In reply to @ryblade:matrix.org
jonringer: got any ideas on how to stop this from coming back again and again? something ironclad to keep this authoritarian cancer out for good? the problem is the persistence of these people, they never quit. I think having an established, well defined CoC would be the best first step. And use that as guiding principle for all future engagements. As long as nixos is still a community, there will always be some kind of conflict | 18:46:39 |
| ryblade | btw, i love how just by taking this side someone is already trying to assume my gender. i thought that was a cardinal sin among those types. | 18:46:40 |
| GallantChef | I did actually laugh out loud when that happened | 18:46:53 |
| ryblade | in offtopic, not here | 18:46:58 |
| ryblade | should i be reporting that? :D | 18:47:04 |
| GallantChef | Heh | 18:47:08 |
| GallantChef | Well, a well defined CoC that's in-line with values that are truly anti-authoritarian and consistent with distaste for woke nonsense would be great | 18:47:42 |
| GallantChef | But I suspect they won't be very receptive to that | 18:47:48 |
| ryblade | make it anyway | 18:48:09 |
| philipp | In reply to @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life
Give them no quarter This is not acceptable neither in language nor in the ideas behind it. Cut it out. | 18:48:17 |
| ryblade | it can't hurt to at least put it out there and get their reaction :) | 18:48:27 |
| GallantChef | Maybe "hey look, it's a CoC!" will be enough of a gesture to placate them | 18:48:32 |
| GallantChef | Frankly, the Rust one is not too bad | 18:49:00 |
| ryblade | i've honestly thought an objectively worded anti-authoritarian CoC is a long time coming, something robust, not just some meme project | 18:49:02 |
| GallantChef | I'm genuinely interested in such a thing | 18:49:16 |
| ryblade | haven't read the rust one, i'll do that today for sure. | 18:49:36 |
| GallantChef | They tend to focus on the software, and not the politics or drama | 18:49:48 |
| GallantChef | Which I feel is the appropriate direction for a software project | 18:49:59 |
| jonringer | Yea, but you have to have some sort of foundation. In 99% of my interaction in nixpkgs, things are pretty technical and dry. It's very rare that a CoC is really needed. | 18:50:00 |
| GallantChef | It's only needed because of non-participants asking for one | 18:50:19 |
| jonringer | But when incidents do arise, do you want something to say, "You are out of line, and this is why" | 18:50:20 |
