| 5 Nov 2021 |
 joepie91 🏳️🌈 | but we should also be careful that it doesn't become (or look like) an exhaustive list | 18:37:03 |
 Jonas Chevalier | Another way to defuse some of the trust issues would be to add a failsafe mechanism, or just try the moderation team for X months | 18:37:21 |
| Jonas Chevalier | Once we have a concrete implementation, it will help people see that this can work | 18:37:49 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | with my 'experienced community manager' hat on I would suggest setting X fairly high | 18:37:59 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | it usually takes some time for people to adjust to this kind of community management model, and to learn to understand each other's communication patterns around conflict | 18:38:22 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | a month is unlikely to be enough; probably also won't need 6 months like in some communities I've cleaned up, but probably something along the lines of 3-4 months | 18:38:51 |
| Jonas Chevalier | In reply to @joepie91:pixie.town
I agree that specific examples can help communicate what is meant, yes I mean that the replacement & omission of words, and their related effects depends on the context. | 18:39:13 |
| Jonas Chevalier | In reply to @joepie91:pixie.town
I agree that specific examples can help communicate what is meant, yes * I mean that the replacement & omission of words, and their related effects depends on the context (in the document). | 18:39:20 |
| Jonas Chevalier | yeah 6 months sounds reasonable | 18:39:35 |
| Jonas Chevalier | or one release cycle :) | 18:39:46 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | I would expect 6 months to definitely be enough | 18:39:49 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | counting from the actual start of implementation, not acceptance of RFC, ofc :) | 18:40:00 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | as there'll likely be a delay in assembling a team | 18:40:14 |
| Jonas Chevalier | the biggest body of work is actually outside of the RFC | 18:41:15 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | also, if I recall correctly (been a while since reading the RFC), the nixos foundation ultimately has the power to disband the moderation team anyway, right? if things were to go severely wron | 18:41:23 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | * also, if I recall correctly (been a while since reading the RFC), the nixos foundation ultimately has the power to disband the moderation team anyway, right? if things were to go severely wrong | 18:41:24 |
| Jonas Chevalier | to establish sane moderation practices, it takes a lot of time | 18:41:32 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | yeah, definitely | 18:41:38 |
| Jonas Chevalier | technically, anybody can still submit a new RFC to disband the team | 18:42:04 |
| Jonas Chevalier | we could pre-emptively submit that RFC given how long they take :p | 18:42:44 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | I mean, sure, but a bikesheddable mechanism does not make for a very good safeguard :) | 18:43:17 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | see: US filibusters | 18:43:25 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | I think a defined trial period (with some sort of approval mechanism) and an ultimate power invested in the foundation are good safeguards | 18:44:04 |
| Jonas Chevalier | luckily nobody depends on the outcomes of the NixOS community to live | 18:44:11 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | I would not be so sure | 18:44:25 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | keep in mind we have a growing side-industry of NixOS consultancy | 18:44:54 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | I think we should treat this with the importance that that warrants | 18:45:22 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | * keep in mind we have a growing side-industry of NixOS consultancy (individuals, not corporations) | 18:45:46 |
 ash (it/its) 🏳️⚧️ | i'll definitely discuss the trial period idea with irenes, thank you | 18:49:56 |
 piegames | In reply to @joepie91:pixie.town
jonringer: okay, so let me try to rephrase my summary of your concern: you are fine with eg. respecting someone's pronouns or otherwise doing your part in adapting to social norms in a community, but your concern is that those norms might be 'overzealously' applied in cases where you failed to follow them through no fault of your own, for example because you were not aware of them or because they are difficult for you personally to adapt to? A word on this: mistakes are happen, we are all human. The more important point is how a person reacts when pointed out. With that in mind, nobody should be in fear of making mistakes. | 18:58:09 |
