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5 Nov 2021
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesyou're asking if I can see reasons why people who are opposed to the RFC would not express that?02:34:24
@tomberek:matrix.orgtomberekYes.02:34:34
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesI can. For example, fear of becoming a target, whether justified or not, is very prevalent in the world right now.02:34:56
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesbut anyway, my point is that negativity dominates these discussions by default02:35:44
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesso the fact that so many people took the time to speak out positively02:35:55
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesis a very strong signal to me02:35:59
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesthe bias towards not speaking out to say negative things is far outweighed by the advantage that negative things have, once said02:36:26
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesagain, just look at the world around us right now, at everybody constantly criticizing everybody else (a state of affairs which I find terrifying)02:36:52
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesit transcends partisan lines02:37:08
@irenes:matrix.orgIreneswhen people say critical things about people or ideas, that gets traction in a way that praise doesn't02:37:34
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesand that's true regardless of what the ideas are02:37:47
@tomberek:matrix.orgtomberekI'll provide a thought here. Negativity and fear have similarities. "Fight or flight". I'd suggest that much of the behavior and reactions that we have seen follow that pattern.02:39:24
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesI am in full agreement02:39:46
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesplease note that this happens no matter how much work I put in to showing good faith, because it's too easy to conceive of me as a partisan stereotype02:40:17
@tomberek:matrix.orgtomberekAnd that many of the rants and bans have been a "fight" response, and due to the invisibility of online communication, we will tend not to notice those who "flight".02:40:51
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenessure.02:40:59
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesand normally, it's the "flight" response which creates the strong bias towards negativity02:41:24
@irenes:matrix.orgIreneswhich, again, is why I found the amount of positivity on the RFC to be such a strong signal02:41:37
@tomberek:matrix.orgtomberekWould that tend to under-represent the rational opinions that are opposing the RFC?02:41:39
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesrational or not, that isn't the point02:41:49
@tomberek:matrix.orgtomberekokay, bad word.... but that it would lead to under-representation in general?02:42:12
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesI believe I already answered that, but to say it again, the bias towards not speaking out to say negative things is far outweighed by the advantage that negative things have, once said02:42:25
@tomberek:matrix.orgtomberekAh... one sec.... parsing......02:42:54
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenessorry about that, I wasn't trying to be obscure02:43:19
@tomberek:matrix.orgtomberekI'm not following the: advantage that negative things have, once said. Or how that outweighs the bias towards not speaking.02:44:02
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesright, so I didn't get to quite finish one of my thoughts, above, so I'll do so now02:44:21
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesnegativity forms stronger memories for people02:44:30
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenestherefore, when a person decides how they feel about a conversation, their feelings about the negativity will dominate02:44:47
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesthis is unpleasant02:44:53
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesand leads to that "flight" response you mentioned02:44:59

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