| 5 Nov 2021 |
 Irenes | I've never been through the RFC process before so I'm not qualified to speak to the procedures for adoption | 02:10:10 |
| Irenes | I was just expressing a hope that we can look at what the community actually thinks, you know? | 02:10:55 |
| Irenes | rather than have the conversation be dominated by whoever talks loudest, because I don't think that would be fair to anyone | 02:11:11 |
 jonringer | In reply to @irenes:matrix.org
I can only imagine how he'd feel if he joined this channel and saw the discussion of him I've talked to him a lot, and he would agree with most of what I said. If he wants to join the discussion, I would be more than glad for him to do so. | 02:11:29 |
| Irenes | okay | 02:11:46 |
| Irenes | well | 02:11:47 |
| Irenes | my thoughts on sandro are that, of course, if the RFC were enacted it should be a clean slate | 02:11:58 |
| jonringer | But he's also aware that he's not great at inter-personal communication. | 02:12:03 |
| Irenes | sure | 02:12:09 |
| jonringer | At least this room is public, so if he doesn't want to "audit" anything, he's free to do so. | 02:12:32 |
| Irenes | I know for a fact that people he's scared of have more empathy for him than he thinks | 02:12:34 |
| jonringer | * At least this room is public, so if he does want to "audit" anything, he's free to do so. | 02:12:38 |
 tomberek | It makes sense. Loudest isn't always right - actually it tends to be a bad sign. You mentioned hoping to look at what the community thinks. | 02:12:55 |
| Irenes | and I very much believe that there are ways forward that will make everyone happy, including him | 02:13:02 |
| Irenes | tomberek: again, I have never been through the RFC process and I defer to the RFC shepherds as to how that happens | 02:13:30 |
| jonringer | In reply to @irenes:matrix.org
I know for a fact that people he's scared of have more empathy for him than he thinks I'm not aware for many others who spoke in favor him. | 02:13:47 |
| jonringer | In reply to @irenes:matrix.org
I know for a fact that people he's scared of have more empathy for him than he thinks * I'm not aware for many others who spoke in favor of him. | 02:13:56 |
| Irenes | I'm referring to private communications which I've had with many of the people who were on that thread | 02:14:23 |
| jonringer | He's not perfect. But he tries his best. And I believe he has good intentions | 02:14:26 |
| Irenes | because I took the time to hear everyone's side (except his, he doesn't know me and I'm sure would be terrified if I reached out, and there's no decisions to be made about him right now, so...) | 02:14:54 |
| Irenes | (I would like to hear his side someday but this just isn't the time, it would escalate things) | 02:15:05 |
| Irenes | I believe that, too | 02:15:13 |
| Irenes | it's obvious, from looking at his efforts in PR review, that he has a huge amount of enthusiasm | 02:15:26 |
| Irenes | he's reviewed two of my PRs, in fact | 02:15:35 |
| tomberek | All of us can become shepherds, you can. And part of it would be to get an idea of what the community thinks. Let's narrow down on the "didn’t comment because there was nothing to change". | 02:15:36 |
| Irenes | tomberek: I think the information on the thread is most of what exists on that topic, so I don't know what I can answer for you, but go ahead and ask | 02:16:21 |
| Irenes | I think anyone who's as enthusiastic as sandro is is an asset to the community | 02:16:38 |
| Irenes | it's just about recognizing that this is a team effort | 02:16:44 |
| Irenes | that's all I've ever hoped for, with regard to him | 02:16:52 |
| tomberek | What possibilities did you assess? What other reasons do you think about and dismiss? | 02:16:55 |
