| 5 Nov 2021 |
 Irenes | at the risk of being overly self congratulatory, this sort of thing is why the RFC focuses so heavily on having an actual job that is to mediate conflicts | 02:08:16 |
| Irenes | ie. help people talk them through in whatever way is most appropriate for the situation | 02:08:24 |
| Irenes | I don't want a repeat of that mess | 02:08:42 |
| Irenes | that's the whole point | 02:08:47 |
 tomberek | I'd like to understand the "I do personally believe, although it’s hard to be sure, that most people who read it liked it
and didn’t comment because there was nothing to change
I sure hope we have some way to assess that seriously in this process" part. I'm interested in this belief and assessment. | 02:09:04 |
| Irenes | I mean, we got a lot of extremely positive comments on the GitHub thread | 02:09:26 |
| Irenes | some of them short, some of them long | 02:09:31 |
| Irenes | we also got lots of positive reactji | 02:09:37 |
| Irenes | I've never been through the RFC process before so I'm not qualified to speak to the procedures for adoption | 02:10:10 |
| Irenes | I was just expressing a hope that we can look at what the community actually thinks, you know? | 02:10:55 |
| Irenes | rather than have the conversation be dominated by whoever talks loudest, because I don't think that would be fair to anyone | 02:11:11 |
 jonringer | In reply to @irenes:matrix.org
I can only imagine how he'd feel if he joined this channel and saw the discussion of him I've talked to him a lot, and he would agree with most of what I said. If he wants to join the discussion, I would be more than glad for him to do so. | 02:11:29 |
| Irenes | okay | 02:11:46 |
| Irenes | well | 02:11:47 |
| Irenes | my thoughts on sandro are that, of course, if the RFC were enacted it should be a clean slate | 02:11:58 |
| jonringer | But he's also aware that he's not great at inter-personal communication. | 02:12:03 |
| Irenes | sure | 02:12:09 |
| jonringer | At least this room is public, so if he doesn't want to "audit" anything, he's free to do so. | 02:12:32 |
| Irenes | I know for a fact that people he's scared of have more empathy for him than he thinks | 02:12:34 |
| jonringer | * At least this room is public, so if he does want to "audit" anything, he's free to do so. | 02:12:38 |
| tomberek | It makes sense. Loudest isn't always right - actually it tends to be a bad sign. You mentioned hoping to look at what the community thinks. | 02:12:55 |
| Irenes | and I very much believe that there are ways forward that will make everyone happy, including him | 02:13:02 |
| Irenes | tomberek: again, I have never been through the RFC process and I defer to the RFC shepherds as to how that happens | 02:13:30 |
| jonringer | In reply to @irenes:matrix.org
I know for a fact that people he's scared of have more empathy for him than he thinks I'm not aware for many others who spoke in favor him. | 02:13:47 |
| jonringer | In reply to @irenes:matrix.org
I know for a fact that people he's scared of have more empathy for him than he thinks * I'm not aware for many others who spoke in favor of him. | 02:13:56 |
| Irenes | I'm referring to private communications which I've had with many of the people who were on that thread | 02:14:23 |
| jonringer | He's not perfect. But he tries his best. And I believe he has good intentions | 02:14:26 |
| Irenes | because I took the time to hear everyone's side (except his, he doesn't know me and I'm sure would be terrified if I reached out, and there's no decisions to be made about him right now, so...) | 02:14:54 |
| Irenes | (I would like to hear his side someday but this just isn't the time, it would escalate things) | 02:15:05 |
| Irenes | I believe that, too | 02:15:13 |
