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5 Nov 2021
@tomberek:matrix.orgtomberek(i think i've caught up... i'm back)01:59:29
@irenes:matrix.orgIreneswelcome back01:59:33
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesI remember that thread well, I joined Discourse to weigh in on it because I hoped I could calm things down02:00:52
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesmy comment on that thread will forever be the first post that's shown when people go to my Discourse profile02:01:12
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesI take full responsibility for everything I said there02:01:24
@jonringer:matrix.org@jonringer:matrix.orgThings needed to be remedied long before it blew up. Sure there was failings on both sides. But it got ugly, and there was a lot of dog-piling and vilification of someone just doing PR reviews.02:01:48
@jonringer:matrix.org@jonringer:matrix.orgAlso, no one had the common decency or compassion to reach out to him and address the behavior, and instead just let the loathing fester, waiting for another time for him to f**k up.02:02:55
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesthis was the point at which I made the decision that I needed to become involved with the social aspects of Nix in order to do whatever I can to help02:03:04
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesand which lead directly to writing the RFC02:03:12
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesit is incorrect that nobody reached out to him prior to that thread02:03:36
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesbut those communications are private02:03:41
@jonringer:matrix.org@jonringer:matrix.orgAfter I retracted his nomination as Release Manager at the desire of WorldofPeace, I guess I was the only one who had reached out to him to let him know that people were disgruntled with him and that he should change his behavior02:03:45
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesno02:03:53
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesyou were the only one he took seriously02:03:58
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesI am glad that you did that02:04:02
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesI think it helped02:04:05
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesI am not comfortable giving my opinion of him in this public setting, we can take this to 1:1 if you want to discuss more02:04:28
@jonringer:matrix.org@jonringer:matrix.org
In reply to @irenes:matrix.org
it is incorrect that nobody reached out to him prior to that thread
This is technically true. I was the first that wanted to help him, rather than just let me know how he f**ked up
02:04:36
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesI can only imagine how he'd feel if he joined this channel and saw the discussion of him02:04:36
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesI wasn't a party to all of this either, I can only answer for my own actions, you know02:04:59
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesI saw that something was broken so I got involved to try to fix it02:05:08
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesI agree that it should never have come to that02:05:14
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenes at the risk of being overly self congratulatory, this sort of thing is why the RFC focuses so heavily on having an actual job that is to mediate conflicts 02:08:16
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesie. help people talk them through in whatever way is most appropriate for the situation02:08:24
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesI don't want a repeat of that mess02:08:42
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesthat's the whole point02:08:47
@tomberek:matrix.orgtomberekI'd like to understand the "I do personally believe, although it’s hard to be sure, that most people who read it liked it and didn’t comment because there was nothing to change I sure hope we have some way to assess that seriously in this process" part. I'm interested in this belief and assessment.02:09:04
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesI mean, we got a lot of extremely positive comments on the GitHub thread02:09:26
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenessome of them short, some of them long02:09:31
@irenes:matrix.orgIreneswe also got lots of positive reactji02:09:37

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