| 5 Nov 2021 |
 jonringer | "We want people to be equal", but some people are "more equal". And we should conform to perception of the world. For we are bigots, and don't know better. | 01:51:33 |
| jonringer | * "We want people to be equal", but some people are "more equal". And we should conform to their perception of the world. For we are bigots, and don't know better. | 01:51:45 |
 Irenes | nobody is being accused of being a bigot | 01:51:49 |
| Irenes | I can only assume that that's coming from preconceptions you have about the type of person who would write something like this | 01:52:49 |
| Irenes | which is fine and all | 01:52:53 |
| Irenes | but I ask you to look at what's actually happening, at what we're actually saying | 01:53:07 |
| Irenes | and not judge us by caricatures you may be familiar with from elsewhere, of what people who care about this stuff are like | 01:53:31 |
| jonringer | I used to know what is happening in nixpkgs, when I could review PRs, update packages, and fix builds | 01:53:41 |
| Irenes | all vital stuff without which nixpkgs could not exist | 01:54:52 |
| jonringer | but now I'm just on a soap box. In matrix. Shouting in the void. Emotionally and mentally drained at trying to appease a subset of the nix community which feels that everyone else should be like them. To do as they do. To speak as they speak. To think as they think. | 01:54:54 |
| Irenes | for the record, I absolutely do appreciate you taking the time to say this | 01:55:42 |
| Irenes | I hope that we're able to win your trust, although I understand you to be saying that that is likely impossible | 01:56:37 |
| jonringer | Trust isn't won. It's earned, must like respect. And my trust was burned down long ago with how little tolerance was shown sandro | 01:57:23 |
| Irenes | I think it's unfortunate that that situation happened in such a public fashion | 01:58:28 |
| Irenes | it made it into a spectacle | 01:59:01 |
| jonringer | Incidents like https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/120729#discussion_r621617554 and the following discussions like https://discourse.nixos.org/t/github-block-evasion-is-not-acceptable/12763, paint a picture where Nix takes a back seat. And that any type of compassion or good faith should be replaced by appeasement. | 01:59:12 |
| Irenes | and I don't think there was much in the way of a meeting of the minds | 01:59:15 |
| Irenes | in terms of people understanding each others' complaints | 01:59:23 |
 tomberek | (i think i've caught up... i'm back) | 01:59:29 |
| Irenes | welcome back | 01:59:33 |
| Irenes | I remember that thread well, I joined Discourse to weigh in on it because I hoped I could calm things down | 02:00:52 |
| Irenes | my comment on that thread will forever be the first post that's shown when people go to my Discourse profile | 02:01:12 |
| Irenes | I take full responsibility for everything I said there | 02:01:24 |
| jonringer | Things needed to be remedied long before it blew up. Sure there was failings on both sides. But it got ugly, and there was a lot of dog-piling and vilification of someone just doing PR reviews. | 02:01:48 |
| jonringer | Also, no one had the common decency or compassion to reach out to him and address the behavior, and instead just let the loathing fester, waiting for another time for him to f**k up. | 02:02:55 |
| Irenes | this was the point at which I made the decision that I needed to become involved with the social aspects of Nix in order to do whatever I can to help | 02:03:04 |
| Irenes | and which lead directly to writing the RFC | 02:03:12 |
| Irenes | it is incorrect that nobody reached out to him prior to that thread | 02:03:36 |
| Irenes | but those communications are private | 02:03:41 |
| jonringer | After I retracted his nomination as Release Manager at the desire of WorldofPeace, I guess I was the only one who had reached out to him to let him know that people were disgruntled with him and that he should change his behavior | 02:03:45 |
